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TollKeeper

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So I did some handgun shopping tonight..

I really REALLY liked the Styr M9. Nice solid feel, good weight in my hand, and it fit like a glove. I have heard that they can be a pain to clean thou. 15 round clip. Price was awesome at 399 NEW.
Also liked the Kahr CW9. More of a concealed gun, really lightweight, it fit OK in my hand.
Taurus 1911 38. I really like the look of this gun, Powder coated black, with gold accents.

We also looked at a couple guns for the wife. Walther P22, Nice little compact gun, fits her hand perfect.
LCP, but me, and my wife, and the gun sales men, agree that it would be a little to much bang for her small hands until she gets used to handling a gun.
Sig Saur Mosquito. We both liked this little gun, small, compact, efficient

What you think?
 
Feb 16, 2012
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TollKeeper said:
We also looked at a couple guns for the wife. Walther P22, Nice little compact gun, fits her hand perfect.
LCP, but me, and my wife, and the gun sales men, agree that it would be a little to much bang for her small hands until she gets used to handling a gun.
Sig Saur Mosquito. We both liked this little gun, small, compact, efficient

What you think?

I could guess that it depends on the stature of your wife. I have seen some small/'frail' girls slinging lead downrange with firearms I would think would break my wrist lol!!!! My LCP is quite easy to handle, very convenient size for your average female. I can hide it completely behind my open palm (and I do not have monster sized paws).

A .380 is not a huge round, nor high grains. It certainly could not hurt to check out guns before purchasing, see if your dealer has a place to let someone try it out, if they allow, or if they know someone who has one willing to let you try it. I wouldn't buy a car without test driving it, and I certainly won't buy (any more) guns without shooting them first. Rookie mistake with my first purchase, lets just leave it at that!

.22 is always a good gun to learn the basics on, handling, stance, safety concerns (with handling etc...), but it is deceiving when it comes down to how it actually feels to shoot a higher powered gun.

Just my $0.02

Good luck with your selection!!
 

Short Bus

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Maybe look at a LC9. The recoil is hardly noticeable to me, but I'm use to a .357 snubbie. I haven't shot the LCP yet (got one for my wife), but I've read that the LC9 has less felt recoil.

Mark20 said:
Fired a snub-nose .357 with a .357 round in it once. Once was more than enough! Man I have never felt a shock like that to the wrist. As a high powered concealed carry its good, but a day at the range for fun is another thing.

I mostly used Blazers in my .357 for the lower recoil and a little more punch than a .38. The right grips help a lot!!! The Taurus factory boot grips sucked, Hogue Monogrip is a little better and Uncle Mike's Combat Grips are the best that I found without going to big.
 

fishsticks

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Nov 21, 2011
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A P22 is a good practice gun, but it's safety set up makes it terrible as a carry weapon. The Mosquito is a better choice. 22LR will stop someone eventually, but maybe not quickly enough.

.380 and 9mm are both good small person cartridges. A decent JHP round will do some serious damage and the capacity of the weapons mean you can just keep shooting until the attacker drops.

My friend carries a Walther PK380 (.380) and I carry a Sig Sauer P226 (9mm). We are not small people (both over 200lbs) but either of us could hand our weapons to a 120lb or less woman and she could shoot it easily. (We have.)

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Feb 16, 2012
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Lets just say, she's 5'4", tiny, her first time shooting, using my Glock 39 (.45 GAP) and shot better than I did that day!!

:loveintheair::loveintheair::loveintheair:

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fishsticks

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Zapp Brannigan said:
Lets just say, she's 5'4", tiny, her first time shooting, using my Glock 39 (.45 GAP) and shot better than I did that day!!

:loveintheair::loveintheair::loveintheair:

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WINNAR! :thumbsup:

Remeber it's not just about shooting a target in controlled environments. Presenting the weapon and follow up shots matter in a crisis situation.
 

Mark20

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Friend of mine sent me this, looks like this guy has some fun toys, [video=youtube_share;FbsgHbXubGU]http://youtu.be/FbsgHbXubGU[/video]

And let me just say this, I'm pretty close to going to the range for the first time in years.
 

TollKeeper

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Bought a Steyr M9A1, and a Sig Suar Mosquito with a Purple Chasis. 600 bucks for both.. NEW!
 

TollKeeper

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Pics... Althou i had to return the SigSaur Mosquito, it has a milling defect in the slide.

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Mark20

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Finally made it to the range. An expensive day but worth it.
 
Feb 16, 2012
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fishsticks said:
WINNAR! :thumbsup:

Remeber it's not just about shooting a target in controlled environments. Presenting the weapon and follow up shots matter in a crisis situation.

No doubt! But it still proves that handing a sub-compact .45 GAP to a first time shooter IS manageable...

And like I said, the little b***h shot better than I did haha!!! :rotfl: Still love that girl!! Wish she knew it....:frown:
 

Black LT

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Fishhunter911 said:
Got the glow paint for the sights. After only 10 seconds of light from a flashlight here they are.

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Looks awesome. Now that you had it on a while, do you think there's times that it could be too bright?
You know how your eyes adjust to darkness - then looking at them - will it possibly hinder your overall sight?
I guess it's cheap enough that I oughta just get some - not like it's permanent.
 

Fishhunter911

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Black LT said:
Looks awesome. Now that you had it on a while, do you think there's times that it could be too bright?
You know how your eyes adjust to darkness - then looking at them - will it possibly hinder your overall sight?
I guess it's cheap enough that I oughta just get some - not like it's permanent.

They are still doing well. I do not think they are to bright. No hindrance noticed.
 

Chickenhawk

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Dec 6, 2011
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In the spirit of never having enough shotguns, here is the Remington 870 Police, in the tactical 14" barrel version, specifically designed for bear country.

The barrel is made by Dlask, and interestingly enough, here in Canada we can have short barrels on pump shotguns as long as the overall length is 26" or more and as long as they come manufactured at that length.

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gmcman

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I had this 260 built for up to 1000 yard matches but only have used it so far for score at 200. There are much better options for score matches but I love the fact it's just different and can hold it's own if I do my part. Trigger is set at 2 oz and weighing in at 16 lbs is a pussycat to shoot.

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gmcman

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Bartonmd said:
Put a little time and maybe $200 into my $300 Springfield Mil-Spec, and ended up with something that I'm pretty happy with! Beavertail, hammer, sear, trigger, extended safety, extended mag release, and Hogue grips... All fitted and installed, myself...

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Sweet! :thumbsup:
 

TollKeeper

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First time at the range with the Mauser. First Time EVER shooting a gun.. I dont think I did to bad.. Iron Sights, no scope, 50 yards.

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TollKeeper

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Alright guys.. This thread has died a bit.. Time to revive it a little bit...

So I was feeling a little artistic tonight.. and the wife was being photogenic.. and this is what we came up with...

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Here is the entire folder...

Bersa pictures by LaPurr - Photobucket
 

David B.

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Dec 5, 2011
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Just got this the other day, S+W Airweight in .38 Special. Been wanting one for about 3 years, too lol. My EDC gun is a Kahr P40 fit to a Crossbreed Holster.
 

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Uncle Blazer

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I love my Walther PK380.....especially since Iowa started allowing CCW. I have been playing around with the idea of mounting a spare holster somewhere to stash the pistol on longer drives. Anyone done anything like this? Optimally, inside the center counsel or glovebox would be best (out of sight from wandering eyes, yet accessible).
 

Hatchet

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i cant find the pic or thread on the other site i seen before. But one guy made a mount under the dash.

http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww85/siovailat/100_1460.jpg

similar to that pic, but he had it tucked up farther. Where the back of the handle was flush with the slop of the knee kicker. Was definitely cool looking and not easy to see if using all black.
 

Mark20

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David B. said:
Just got this the other day, S+W Airweight in .38 Special. Been wanting one for about 3 years, too lol. My EDC gun is a Kahr P40 fit to a Crossbreed Holster.

Is that a shrouded hammer double action only model?
 

Spyw

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Where to start?...I suppose with a pile of guns.

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AR15, Glock 23 Gen4, another AR, Springfield XD9, FN FNX-9, Springfield 1911, Glock 23 Gen 3
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My first AR (here on the right) was a DTI kit rifle that taught me everything I needed to know about ARs
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My pride and joy, built 'er myself starting with a lower I bought on Nov 5, 2008. Getting these parts (especially the barrel :faint:) was...challenging.
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RRA Lower
Bill Springfield 4lb Single Stage FCG
Magpul CTR
Magpul MIAD
Magpul Enhanced Trigger Guard
BCM Upper
Daniel Defense Mid Length Barrel
Young Mfg Chrome M16 BCG
Larue Rail
Larue FUG
Surefure 6P in Larue Offset QD Mount
Troy BUIS
EOTech 512 in Larue QD Mount

The scope below is a Leupold Mark AR Mil-dot in a Larue SPR QD Mount. I'm putting together a home for it that will probably end up being on top of a Larue Stealth upper, but for now I've been known to swap it out for my EOTech on my middy. I shot it like that out to 312yds over Christmas. Have never had a chance to shoot that far before, but I didn't do too bad.
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Since then I've moved and have been doing some work for a guy that runs a local gun store. In exchange for terrible pay I get great prices of all sorts of cool stuff.
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The handguns, top to bottom, are my Springfield XD9 Tactical.

It was my first handgun and it's still my favorite. I've carried and shot USPSA matches with it. I've put I don't even know how many thousand rounds through it and it shoots orgasmically nice. I had never shot a centerfire handgun before getting it a couple months after I turned 21. About a month after that, I shot my carry permit qualification with it, which was very amusing to me. In the class prior to the shoot, our "knowledgeable" instructors reminded us several times that more than half of their students fail the shoot test (10 shots on IDPA target at 10 yds). I was by far the youngest and the (hopefully) least experienced shooter there. I was the only one in my group to pass the shooting test. I then carried that giant XD for more than a year. I, like the other Mike (Mr. Barton), highly recommend the Comp Tac Minotaur.

Then I got my Glock 23. I've always liked Glocks and honestly the reason I took the XD over a Glock for my first pistol was because I wanted a barrel length between the 17 and 34. I was finally able to get my hands on a Gen 4 23 with night sights to serve as my primary carry gun. My buddy carries a Gen 3 23 and honestly, I've got to say that I do strongly prefer the Gen 3 to the Gen 4. I love my Glock, but in hindsight, I wish it was Gen 3. I don't use the back straps, I don't need to flip the mag release, and the Gen 3 grip texture is much better for my very tight grip.

On the bottom is my FN FNP-9. My first DA/SA pistol and really nice to shoot. A distributor was closing out CA models that came with 3 10 rd mags with 2 16 rd mags thrown in for $350. Quite the deal. I got it early this year with the intention of shooting some USPSA matches with it. Sadly, I haven't had the time yet.

Speaking of USPSA, I have a nice video of a CoF in the second match I went to. That was about 2 months in my XD ownership. Not a good start, but not too bad of a finish.
[video=youtube;CtcAZY7J_D4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtcAZY7J_D4[/video]

I needed a third AR, but the only lower I could get locally was a Spike's Zombie lower. I wanted a M16 configuration, so a color-filled zombie lower didn't really fit that look. A little bit of lower swapping with my first AR and a Foilage Green Magpul Makeover, and I ended up with this.
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Magpul ACS (my new favorite collapsible stock)
Magpul BAD Lever (a lot cooler than I thought it'd be)
Magpul MOE Grip
Magpul MOE Handguard
Magpul MS3
Magpul MSA
Magpul MVG
Magpul ASAP
Magpul Enhanced Trigger Guard
RRA Tactical Brake (in case I need to stab zombies...or deafen the people next to me)

For my third AR, about the only rifle-length upper I could order through my FFL (so I could put it on my tab there :cool:) was RRA. I put in my order and settled in a for a four month wait. About a month later, I stopped by the store and saw it on the shelf, for sale. The owner had forgotten that he ordered it for me. He just assumed he had been drinking some night while doing his orders. Picked up a carry handle and my latest (and easiest to build) AR was done.
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I do like carrying my Glock, but there are some times that I don't or can't carry the bulk of a full size gun. Bending over will print my gun a bit. I generally don't care if people notice because I'm not required by Iowa law to keep it concealed and most people won't recognize a gun print, but for times that I absolutely want to stay concealed and don't want anyone to know that I'm carrying, I picked up a little LCP-LM a couple weeks ago.
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It is what it is. It's not a great shooting gun and it's awkward for my giant hands to reload, but it's better than nothing for the few instances that my Glock isn't practical. I got a chance to shoot it last weekend, and it definitely takes a lot more thinking to shoot. I shoot automatics with both thumbs pointing forward. Doing that on the LCP puts my left thumb almost even with the muzzle. Not good. Also, the ridiculously light weight makes the recoil worse. Combined with the relatively small distance that the slide moves, it's very easy to limp wrist it and have feed and ejection issues. Be conscious of your grip and this won't be a problem.

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Fishhunter911

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I have some SERIOUS AR envy!!!! Dear lord those are some sexy rifles. :drool:
 

Spyw

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Thanks. I'm going to keep building them until I have at least one of every configuration :undecided:
 

DucatiSS

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I am patiently awaiting my lower from NoDak Spud for my retro M16 kit (603) that I bought. It finally shipped from No. Dakota to the engraver in Texas, and he will have it for 4 weeks, then ship it to my FFL here in CA. I had it and the upper buffed up in what they call "Battlefield Pickup". It should look just like a well worn gun from Vietnam circa 1967. I will post pics when that one is done.
Then on to maybe a 9mm AR or .308. :undecided:
 

DucatiSS

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Well, I broke my cherry today at the trap range and I gotta say it was a lot of fun. We had guns provided to us in the package that we bought, but I am not one to use a rental anything if I do something more than once.

I am now looking for advice on a good entry level trap gun. I noticed that most of the people all had O/U break opens and I saw a few pumps out there, as a matter of fact our rentals were Browning BPS and Remington 870 pumps. I do know my way around an AR and a 1911 but shotguns and clays are something new to me. Budget at this time is no more than $600 but I do have a few questions.

A) Is the O/U style just a club status thing or do they really perform better on clays?

B) If I go with an all black pump style (Benelli 28" 12 ga. ribbed) will I be shunned?

C) Has anyone ever had any luck with the Stoeger or CZ or Mossberg O/U's?
 

gmcman

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DucatiSS said:
Well, I broke my cherry today at the trap range and I gotta say it was a lot of fun.

A) Is the O/U style just a club status thing or do they really perform better on clays?

B) If I go with an all black pump style (Benelli 28" 12 ga. ribbed) will I be shunned?

C) Has anyone ever had any luck with the Stoeger or CZ or Mossberg O/U's?

Yeah, that's a bug that when once bit by there is no cure.

A) O/U really is the ticket, most of the senior shooters gravitate to the O/U and end up with high-dollar engraved guns. One thing about the O/U, especially if you start loading your own ammo, that pretty much every time you pull the trigger, it goes bang and the subsequent pull of the trigger does the same thing. You won't see any FTF (failure to feed) issues with the O/U as opposed to the semi-auto's, on factory ammo they pretty much are just as reliable as the O/U. When you are shooting for 500 straight and get a FTF on the last set of clays....that will spell the end of the semi-auto for you but that's just a rare scenario.

I personally use a semi-auto and have had no issues, the recoil is lighter as well.

B) I would personally stay away from the pumps for now until you get the hang of it. Picking up the clay is hard enough especially if you need to rock the gun to cycle the next round and lose your sight picture.

C) No, I have used some Brownings and really like them, haven't owned one though. Take a look at the Beretta, they have many lengths to suit trap and skeet, some can be used for both, trap favors the longer barrels.

For semi-autos, I would look at the Benelli or the Beretta first, but that's just me.

Enjoy.
 

Jman423

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Currently, I have the following:

Glock 19 GEN3 (guide-rod laser)
Glock 26 GEN4 (no laser yet)
Walther P22 (3.5" barrel)
Taurus PT709 Slim (Grip Laser)[Traded Out]
S&W Bodyguard 380 (Integrated Laser)
Taser M26
Taser X2
Mossberg 500 Pursuader (Tactical)

Next on my list is a rifle.
 

David B.

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Mark20 said:
Is that a shrouded hammer double action only model?

Haha, little late- sorry! But yes, that's correct. I just got my new crossbreed holster for it, carries like a charm- especially without a hammer to snag on clothing during the draw. Thinking about getting a trigger job done. This stock trigger actually is really smooth, no take up and a crisp break. BUT why not lighten it up a little?!
 

Short Bus

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David B. said:
Haha, little late- sorry! But yes, that's correct. I just got my new crossbreed holster for it, carries like a charm- especially without a hammer to snag on clothing during the draw. Thinking about getting a trigger job done. This stock trigger actually is really smooth, no take up and a crisp break. BUT why not lighten it up a little?!

Try some Wolff springs. I liked them in my Taurus 605.

Springs for SMITH & WESSON Revolvers
 

Uncle Blazer

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Dec 8, 2011
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Jman423 said:
Currently, I have the following:

Glock 19 GEN3 (guide-rod laser)
Glock 26 GEN4 (no laser yet)
Walther P22 (3.5" barrel)
Taurus PT709 Slim (Grip Laser)
S&W Bodyguard 380 (Integrated Laser)
Taser M26
Taser X2

Next on my list is either a shotgun or rifle.

Any more lasers and you could go to an NRA sponsored rave. :wootwoot:
 

navigator

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Dec 3, 2011
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I've always owned pump shot guns. I have used a few semi-autos and they are nice but I have had issues with some not ejecting low brass shells and some won't eject the high brass shells reliably.

The pumps just seem simpler to me. With shooting, until you get good it seems that only the first shot matters anyway. If you miss with the first shot you will likely miss with shots 2 and 3 as well.

I've always wanted an O/U for floating the creeks to have a buckshot in one barrel for deer and small shot in the other barrel for squirrel but it has never been enough of a priority to come to fruition.

I have a Remington 870 Express super-mag (shoots 3.5 inch shell) that is a really nice gun.
If it were me, I would start with an 870 pump, they are reliable and priced well and is a good entry point. You can then see how much you are into it. They also have a good market of add ons should your needs change. As far as folks picking on what you are shooting, in the end all that matters is how many clays you bust and how much fun you have. If you are busting clays it doesn't matter.
 

HARDTRAILZ

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navigator said:
As far as folks picking on what you are shooting, in the end all that matters is how many clays you bust and how much fun you have. If you are busting clays it doesn't matter.

I agree. But I perfer my Mossy 500 to an 870...likely cause it is wheat i started with. However, the last time I was out shooting trap I used...
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Caught a bunch of comments for using "tactical" shotgun, but that M4 was treating me good and I kept hitting even with an 18.5 inch barrel.
 

Bartonmd

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Nov 20, 2011
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Thought I had posted this here, but I guess not...

Got my deer rifle finished up and slung some copper down range... I haven't had this much of a "big block grin" about anything since I picked up my CBR1100XX over 80k miles ago! This thing is a hoot to shoot!

It's a:

Rock River .458 SOCOM CAR upper
Palmetto State Armory lower
Spikes standard LPK with Bill Springfield trigger
Hogue grip
Magpul MOE stock with extended rubber buttpad
Daniel Defense Burnsed Loop receiver end plate sling mount
LaRue Tactical LT-104 VFZ mount
Leupold VX-1 3-9x40 matte with LR reticle (and Butler Creek caps)

Mags are standard mil-spec 30rd (hold 10rds of .458) with Magpul followers, and I just beveled the front of the mag.

I didn't take any pictures, but I was very nearly clover-leafing 5-shot groups at 100yds from a bench.

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Mike
 

Bartonmd

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Jman423 said:
Currently, I have the following:

Glock 19 GEN3 (guide-rod laser)
Glock 26 GEN4 (no laser yet)
Walther P22 (3.5" barrel)
Taurus PT709 Slim (Grip Laser)
S&W Bodyguard 380 (Integrated Laser)
Taser M26
Taser X2

Next on my list is either a shotgun or rifle.

Make sure you've always got a flashlight with you, when you're carrying with laser-equipt stuff! I was all about the CT grips, then took a couple pistol classes, one of which included night shooting. When it's really low light, but you can still see the outline of the target pretty well, you hit it with the laser, and it completely messes up your night vision, and you can't see the target any more. Worse than that, when you turn off the laser, it takes 20-30 seconds until you can see the target again. It was scary enough that I won't carry with a laser. Just train with what you carry, so that you can consistantly hit a man-sized target at typical CCW encounter distances (20' or less) without looking at the sights.

Mike
 

HARDTRAILZ

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The socom is sweet rifle!
 

RichieT

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Feb 8, 2012
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navigator said:
I've always owned pump shot guns. I have used a few semi-autos and they are nice but I have had issues with some not ejecting low brass shells and some won't eject the high brass shells reliably.

The pumps just seem simpler to me. With shooting, until you get good it seems that only the first shot matters anyway. If you miss with the first shot you will likely miss with shots 2 and 3 as well.

I've always wanted an O/U for floating the creeks to have a buckshot in one barrel for deer and small shot in the other barrel for squirrel but it has never been enough of a priority to come to fruition.

I have a Remington 870 Express super-mag (shoots 3.5 inch shell) that is a really nice gun.
If it were me, I would start with an 870 pump, they are reliable and priced well and is a good entry point. You can then see how much you are into it. They also have a good market of add ons should your needs change. As far as folks picking on what you are shooting, in the end all that matters is how many clays you bust and how much fun you have. If you are busting clays it doesn't matter.

The newer autos are suppose to be better at digesting everything and not jamming. I have a browning gold that has worked with everything I tried though I only shot a few of the light loads through it. I use this for deer slugs and turkey which are both heavy loads. I have a short barrel citori o/u which I use for pheasant and grouse because it's easier to swing in the thick stuff. Pumps are the most dependable though, and if I had to pick one shotgun it would be a pump. I still break out the bps at times since that was my first shotgun.

We have a saying here, one shot is a hit, two shots is a maybe, three or more shots is a miss. I agree with you on shooting whatever works for you and makes you happy.
 

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