That requires the desire to search for the info instead of just asking. I am 73. I am lazy. Case closed.
What are you doing today? [Part II]
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Blackstone labs report, compared to Speediagnostix, is not as detailed or thorough. Blackstone is less expensive though. I think by $15. My neighbor across the street has an F150 5.4 that me and my shop owner friend put an engine in about 1.5 years ago. Speediagnostix oil analysis reports for that engine is 4 pages of info. IIRC, Blackstone reports are 2 pages. I have never compared line by line though. You can visit the Speediagnostix web site to compare.
BrianF
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I finished up the brakes on our new to us 2020 5th gen Ram 1500. I bled 1.5 litres of brake fluid through it, greased the slide pins, popped the rotors, antiseize on the hubs and a little grease in the hubs. It is functioning great.
Today, I went to change the gear oil front and back. Noticed some weeping from the disconnect actuator. The rubber seal had a slight imperfection so I white trashed it with a little rtv to smooth things out. During this, noticed the driver side cv inner tripot had way to much lateral play. I am part way tearing it out and found the dam shaft splines are seized in the hub bearing. This girl has never been apart from what I can see.
I cycled some heat, penetrant and a hammer. No dice. I left it soaking and will try again tomorrow. Napa had a new cv in stock so I am ready to go.
The front gear oil looked damn near original, so its a good time to swap it out.
Today, I went to change the gear oil front and back. Noticed some weeping from the disconnect actuator. The rubber seal had a slight imperfection so I white trashed it with a little rtv to smooth things out. During this, noticed the driver side cv inner tripot had way to much lateral play. I am part way tearing it out and found the dam shaft splines are seized in the hub bearing. This girl has never been apart from what I can see.
I cycled some heat, penetrant and a hammer. No dice. I left it soaking and will try again tomorrow. Napa had a new cv in stock so I am ready to go.
The front gear oil looked damn near original, so its a good time to swap it out.
BrianF
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@movietvet there is no c clip from what I can see. The inner tripot came off the differential stub shaft easy enough but the rest had been a nightmare.
so, an all night soak, cycled more heat and wouldn't even budge with an air chisel. Ok, picked up an 8 pound sledge. Nothing. Began mushrooming the threads. Beat on it more. Nothing at all. Couldnt remove the cv/bearing as one as there is not enough clearance to get the bolts out. Had to beat the knuckle to get the lower ball joint off just to find there is not enough clearance to pull the whole knuckle.
Well, I put it all back together and had to clean up the threads with a grinder to get the axle nut back on. Had to use the 3/4" drive ratchet and a snipe to put the nut on, just for it to strip before fully seating on the hub. Well, piss on you, the rust will hold it together long enough for me to Jam it into a river.
After the long weekend, we'll look for a shop to get a second opinion. On a good note, I got the front and rear gear oil done. Used a left over half bag of valvoline gear oil from the skid steer hubs. Where were these my whole life? Topped the bag off with my favorite group 4 based 75w90 and it went quick.
I still need to pick up a pan/filter, fluid for the 8 speed and figure out what tractor fluid to use in the transfer case. Then start this all over again with the other vehicles we got....
so, an all night soak, cycled more heat and wouldn't even budge with an air chisel. Ok, picked up an 8 pound sledge. Nothing. Began mushrooming the threads. Beat on it more. Nothing at all. Couldnt remove the cv/bearing as one as there is not enough clearance to get the bolts out. Had to beat the knuckle to get the lower ball joint off just to find there is not enough clearance to pull the whole knuckle.
Well, I put it all back together and had to clean up the threads with a grinder to get the axle nut back on. Had to use the 3/4" drive ratchet and a snipe to put the nut on, just for it to strip before fully seating on the hub. Well, piss on you, the rust will hold it together long enough for me to Jam it into a river.
After the long weekend, we'll look for a shop to get a second opinion. On a good note, I got the front and rear gear oil done. Used a left over half bag of valvoline gear oil from the skid steer hubs. Where were these my whole life? Topped the bag off with my favorite group 4 based 75w90 and it went quick.
I still need to pick up a pan/filter, fluid for the 8 speed and figure out what tractor fluid to use in the transfer case. Then start this all over again with the other vehicles we got....
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I can't ever remember that happening on any of my GMT360s. I guess this is on the Ram? 2020? And you're not even in the salt rust belt. That's all I'm sayin' ... 
A large 3 arm gear puller should be able do it. I've seen SMA use an air chisel be able to push it in. If it's really that stuck, a shop might have to heat the hub and will need to replace that as well. At the absolute worse, might have to cut the axle stub still in the hub.
A large 3 arm gear puller should be able do it. I've seen SMA use an air chisel be able to push it in. If it's really that stuck, a shop might have to heat the hub and will need to replace that as well. At the absolute worse, might have to cut the axle stub still in the hub.
I misunderstood. I thought you were talking about having a problem removing at the transaxle. At the hub, there is no cir clip. There may not even be a cir clip at the transaxle.
You can thread the nut back on to where the outer edge of nut is completely flush with the end of shaft. Then use a large dead blow hammer.
I lived in the rust belt before, KC, Mo., and never had one I could not get apart.
HEAT!!!!!!!
You can thread the nut back on to where the outer edge of nut is completely flush with the end of shaft. Then use a large dead blow hammer.
I lived in the rust belt before, KC, Mo., and never had one I could not get apart.
HEAT!!!!!!!
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Helping wife to prepping to make Easter dish and dessert for family gathering on Sunday. Later picking up daughter's ride from shop and swapping rides at her work so I can get my 05' SWB TB back she had to borrow.
BrianF
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Yeah, this Ram is a pain. I remember similar but not as severe when working on my 2011 Ram 1500. We do get heavy potash on the roads in the winter but we just don't have the humidity like you eastern boys. Its bad but not Ontario bad.
I am contemplating a large puller and just ripping it all apart. Hell, was even considering pulling the new CV apart and trying to mate the new inner tripot to the old cv........ regardless, I do not like having something that is not serviceable.
I am contemplating a large puller and just ripping it all apart. Hell, was even considering pulling the new CV apart and trying to mate the new inner tripot to the old cv........ regardless, I do not like having something that is not serviceable.
flyboy2610
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My favorite penetrating oil is Free All. I've had really good success using it.
I would try soaking it down really well with it, let it sit overnight, then use a large 3-jaw puller with an impact gun. Somethings got to give!
I would try soaking it down really well with it, let it sit overnight, then use a large 3-jaw puller with an impact gun. Somethings got to give!
BrianF
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Its still in the shop sitting (lucky to have shop room and a surplus of vehicles) it was soaked with pb blaster. I am thinking of using some version of a large puller, whether a 3 jaw or even a deep axle. Regardless, I would sacrifice the bearing.
BrianF
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Round 1..... no dice. Used the puller and the 8 pound. Hopefull it might have budged, just a bit.... almost broke the windshield as a small impact socket I put on the forcing screw went airborne after a sledge strike. Made that nice noise steel makes hitting glass......
Tomorrow, I will go more primal. I have a huge steel breaker bar to lock the wheel lugs and will break out the 3/4" ratchet to give the forcing screw much more than the impact could give.
Tomorrow, I will go more primal. I have a huge steel breaker bar to lock the wheel lugs and will break out the 3/4" ratchet to give the forcing screw much more than the impact could give.
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When that thing breaks loose, stand back/by for a "shot" sound and maybe something flying. I still say heat or remove the entire assembly and take to a press.
BrianF
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BrianF
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Ok, the truck is booked in with a local heavy duty mechanic. Great guy, by the way. Swinging by the dealer parts tomorrow for a new hub just in case. While the dealer wants to absolve them of this, they at least are offering needed parts at a steep discount. Whatever, you have to pay to play.
I rolled the Jeep in to begin its maintenance. That thing is a fickle bitch. In 10 minutes, thats setup and cleanup, the rear diff was done. Took a while to remove the front splash guard as its an interesting contraption (will be much easier now on) but what a mess for the front diff. Just poor access. The fill is recessed in and you require an ability to contort and a liberal acceptance for gear oil to drip on you. The drain, while easily visible is partially obscured by yet another sort of sheet metal cross member. No, im not messing with another thing. Needed an 8mm Allen to open the drain plug and 8mm hex on a small extension for the fill. Either way, its done.
I found I was low on ATF so I'll do the transfer case tomorrow. Its actually easy to access with nothing to remove.
I rolled the Jeep in to begin its maintenance. That thing is a fickle bitch. In 10 minutes, thats setup and cleanup, the rear diff was done. Took a while to remove the front splash guard as its an interesting contraption (will be much easier now on) but what a mess for the front diff. Just poor access. The fill is recessed in and you require an ability to contort and a liberal acceptance for gear oil to drip on you. The drain, while easily visible is partially obscured by yet another sort of sheet metal cross member. No, im not messing with another thing. Needed an 8mm Allen to open the drain plug and 8mm hex on a small extension for the fill. Either way, its done.
I found I was low on ATF so I'll do the transfer case tomorrow. Its actually easy to access with nothing to remove.
BrianF
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Truck is back. He had to torch it out. For fun, he tried the 20 ton press. No dice. The lower ball joint was loose as well, of course nothing local for just the ball joint itself. Napa only carried the complete A arm with it. Great. Oh well, its back in action.
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flyboy2610
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Among other very robust Dell Computers I rely upon, the best being my Dell Precision Model #7760...is it's Brother Back-Up Machine, the Model #7720 that carries with it some very serious, high performance hardware that needs to be monitored for ensuring Air Flow and occasionally, pulling off the Cooling Fans and Copper Heat Pipe Vent Assemblies to refresh it with Arctic 4 Thermal Paste, and if needs be, changing out the Green and Blue Thermal Pad Strips, too.
But when you can hear either one or both Fans making ANY kind of Racket, it is NOT the time to just blow out the Dust, slap on the paste and re-tighten down the Mounting Hardware... as it was when as soon as I received a Boot Up F1 Message:
"Warning: Cooling Fan Inoperative!"
So What to do NOW, Right...? I mean THIS is a nearly decade old, fairly expensive Very High End Work Horse of a Machine and finding Top Quality Off-The-Shelf Mike Dell OEM Replacement Server Parts that don't get VERY Expensive is often a REAL challenge, especially any that are "Prepped for Direct to Tech Installation...".
Amazon and eBay Both...? Sorry... They had "Left and Right Fans ONLY..." for over One Hundred Bucks (or $68.00 a Piece) ! So I bailed on them and did a generic DuckDuckGo search and found THESE Dudes down in Texas. THEY had a BNIB (Brand New In Box) Dell OEM PRECISELY THE RIGHT Full CPU-GPU OEM Mounts & Copper Cooler Pipes Kit for Only $25.00 + S&H. They call themselves: The Parts People.
So if you have a Legacy Laptop that is making strange noises and what-not... Keep THESE Folks in Mind via their On-Line Store "Parts-People.com"... and I could not be happier if they sent me Twin Black Kittens! Here are the Goodies and The Dope on The Folks ans I cannot resist the temptation of making a Sherlock Holmes analogy that, "Lord Kelvin would call the thermal considerations here ...a "Three Pipe Problem"..." ROFLMAO
PS: Superb Customer On-Line Service, Good Communication and Very Thoughtful Packing, S&H with a 2-4 Day Ground Delivery to Florida.
But when you can hear either one or both Fans making ANY kind of Racket, it is NOT the time to just blow out the Dust, slap on the paste and re-tighten down the Mounting Hardware... as it was when as soon as I received a Boot Up F1 Message:
"Warning: Cooling Fan Inoperative!"
So What to do NOW, Right...? I mean THIS is a nearly decade old, fairly expensive Very High End Work Horse of a Machine and finding Top Quality Off-The-Shelf Mike Dell OEM Replacement Server Parts that don't get VERY Expensive is often a REAL challenge, especially any that are "Prepped for Direct to Tech Installation...".
Amazon and eBay Both...? Sorry... They had "Left and Right Fans ONLY..." for over One Hundred Bucks (or $68.00 a Piece) ! So I bailed on them and did a generic DuckDuckGo search and found THESE Dudes down in Texas. THEY had a BNIB (Brand New In Box) Dell OEM PRECISELY THE RIGHT Full CPU-GPU OEM Mounts & Copper Cooler Pipes Kit for Only $25.00 + S&H. They call themselves: The Parts People.
So if you have a Legacy Laptop that is making strange noises and what-not... Keep THESE Folks in Mind via their On-Line Store "Parts-People.com"... and I could not be happier if they sent me Twin Black Kittens! Here are the Goodies and The Dope on The Folks ans I cannot resist the temptation of making a Sherlock Holmes analogy that, "Lord Kelvin would call the thermal considerations here ...a "Three Pipe Problem"..." ROFLMAO
PS: Superb Customer On-Line Service, Good Communication and Very Thoughtful Packing, S&H with a 2-4 Day Ground Delivery to Florida.
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BrianF
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Well, as things change out here, we decided that we are going to sell our little 2004 Escape 3.0. The wheel bearing I replaced sounds like its going bad. This was an expensive SKF and unsure why but perhaps I erred on install. There is a CEL back on, last I recall it was intermittent bank 2 O2 sensor. The cam seal at the water pump pulley outlet seeps oil as well.
While my youngest likes it and may take her drivers test in it, it will likely be gone this spring. The Trailblazer has been with us from the start and regardless of its issues, it stays.
I start my new gig in about a month as I got the promotion I applied for. I wont have to park in the real shady area of Crimetown so likely I'll commute with my Grand Cherokee. I suppose I have to look the part and not like a rubbie.
While my youngest likes it and may take her drivers test in it, it will likely be gone this spring. The Trailblazer has been with us from the start and regardless of its issues, it stays.
I start my new gig in about a month as I got the promotion I applied for. I wont have to park in the real shady area of Crimetown so likely I'll commute with my Grand Cherokee. I suppose I have to look the part and not like a rubbie.
Today helped my sledding buddy disassemble a sled that he bought with a blown motor. Sad really as the sled itself was in great shape. The PO had no idea why it blew but he did say that he had just had it serviced. Checked and it wasn't the oil filter gasket. These Yamaha 500cc 4 stroke engines are usually bulletproof and it had over 16k km but couldn't figure out what happened except maybe the shop didn't fill it with enough oil.
It's worthy of Eric's "I do cars" YT channel.
It's worthy of Eric's "I do cars" YT channel.
Just a quick follow up on Post #2,498 about dealing with "The Parts-People" down in Texas after the purchase of the Cooling Pipe-Fans set up and a Heads Up to BEWARE purchasing ANY Portable Computer, no matter HOW Light Weight and Handy it might seem if your have mission critical, business, or personal data on board because...(Wait For It...) The SSD Card is BUILT IN TO THE MOBO! Thank God that the Dell Boxes which I insist on using exclusively are Work Station Laptops that are Built by Dell like BATTLESHIPS!
This Guy is actually the Computer Repair Tech from "The Parts-People" and has a regular show on his YT Channel showing the very intimate Diagnostics and Repairs of a bewildering array of Portable Computers, with a focus on Dell Products. However, regardless of Make or Model... Heed this cautionary tale if you are thinking about engaging in "Compute Light" Hardware Purchases for issues of convenience with low weight gear to tote around before you make the switch for whatever reasons.
Integrated SSDs on ANY Computer System is a VERY BAD IDEA! No matter how far Computer and Materials Sciences will ever be able to take us... If YOU don't have a Data Drive Back Up Plan...there will ALWAYS be this need...ALWAYS. Check out what went wrong HERE:
There are only Two Kinds of Computers... Those that are Broken...and Those that are going to Break..." -=mrrsm=-
This Guy is actually the Computer Repair Tech from "The Parts-People" and has a regular show on his YT Channel showing the very intimate Diagnostics and Repairs of a bewildering array of Portable Computers, with a focus on Dell Products. However, regardless of Make or Model... Heed this cautionary tale if you are thinking about engaging in "Compute Light" Hardware Purchases for issues of convenience with low weight gear to tote around before you make the switch for whatever reasons.
Integrated SSDs on ANY Computer System is a VERY BAD IDEA! No matter how far Computer and Materials Sciences will ever be able to take us... If YOU don't have a Data Drive Back Up Plan...there will ALWAYS be this need...ALWAYS. Check out what went wrong HERE:
There are only Two Kinds of Computers... Those that are Broken...and Those that are going to Break..." -=mrrsm=-
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BrianF
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I worked on my daughter's 2020 Ram 1500 classic today. Bought used with 85,000km. I did the full break down and inspection. It went way, way, WAY better than our other 1500. Everything came apart easily, everything had antiseize applied, the slide pins lubed, differentials serviced and brakes bled.
The cv shafts easily popped out from the hub splines, even with noticeable rust. The tripots came off the stub shafts remarkably well. I know the dealer had replaced some parts prior but I was surprised to see antiseize had been used. Regardless, more was added and it was all buttoned up.
I realized I was out of ATF, so the transfer case will wait. I will likely pick up a pail of PetroCan Duradrive LV to start some drain and fills on the ZF 8 speed.
The cv shafts easily popped out from the hub splines, even with noticeable rust. The tripots came off the stub shafts remarkably well. I know the dealer had replaced some parts prior but I was surprised to see antiseize had been used. Regardless, more was added and it was all buttoned up.
I realized I was out of ATF, so the transfer case will wait. I will likely pick up a pail of PetroCan Duradrive LV to start some drain and fills on the ZF 8 speed.
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northcreek
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Funny, I just bought the Pan/filter and fluid to do the ZF8 in my GC, there is quite a procedure to it and I'm a little hesitant to start the process until I read up a little more on it.
I bet during the tear down process and seeing rust, you were praying that it came apart better than the last time. Then you thanked The GODS when it did. I used to live in a "salt on the roads" state, Mo., and when I tore something down, PB Blaster was my friend and antiseize went on anything that would take it.
BrianF
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@northcreek the zf process to check fluid level is fairly involved but it seems it could have been made much easier with a dipstick and fill tube. The hemi trucks have absolutely deplorable access! I have a gallon garden sprayer that I'll convert into a fluid pump for this job. I am going to look at the cooler lines and see how i can disconnect them to do a pump out method. I think the drain and fill plugs are wide open on my Grand Cherokee L with the 3.6. The issue is I have to get the whole thing on blocks with the transmission leveled out. Being a uni body with independent rear suspension makes it harder for me to tackle this.
@movietvet you are absolutely correct!!! To offset my good luck, I did manage to slice up my hands a bit and add some random scrapes ans bruising. Ill take it!!
@movietvet you are absolutely correct!!! To offset my good luck, I did manage to slice up my hands a bit and add some random scrapes ans bruising. Ill take it!!
northcreek
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I have read that some people don't do the "on blocks " run though the gears procedure, they do the fill, check level when running and then go for a short drive and recheck the level . I'm tempted to do that rather than dick around with blocking. I do have four corner air ride which gives me an extra 5 inches of clearance under there when in off road mode. This shouldn't be Rocket Surgery eh ?
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For the recheck, if you have a level surface and 4 ramps, put the truck in 4x4 and ramp it up on all 4 wheels. Done that many times. Almost like having a lift.
BrianF
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My wife got me 4 ramps many years ago, just for this purpose.
Today I did a tear down and service on the 2021 Grand Cherokee with about 84,000km. Went well, for the most part. The brakes came apart well, used antiseize on assembly. The rear slide pins were in great shape and finished with a brake bleed.
The fronts were the issue. Came apart fine, bled fine but the lower slide pins on both sides were just about seized. WTF I say, I used vice grips and a hammer to knock them out. Thankfully they cleaned up well and function fine now.
The big issue is the service stability control light is now on. Well what the hell I say!! I will have to recheck to ensure I never damaged any wires, which would be odd as I never had to rough up anything. The only thing that jumps to mind is I removed one rear ABS sensor to poke around, perhaps it didn't seat back in properly...... if nothing works, it still has some warranty.
Today I did a tear down and service on the 2021 Grand Cherokee with about 84,000km. Went well, for the most part. The brakes came apart well, used antiseize on assembly. The rear slide pins were in great shape and finished with a brake bleed.
The fronts were the issue. Came apart fine, bled fine but the lower slide pins on both sides were just about seized. WTF I say, I used vice grips and a hammer to knock them out. Thankfully they cleaned up well and function fine now.
The big issue is the service stability control light is now on. Well what the hell I say!! I will have to recheck to ensure I never damaged any wires, which would be odd as I never had to rough up anything. The only thing that jumps to mind is I removed one rear ABS sensor to poke around, perhaps it didn't seat back in properly...... if nothing works, it still has some warranty.
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northcreek
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I do have four ramps and I think with the 5 inch air lift I can get the rear ramps under the rockers, would make life easier
