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HARDTRAILZ
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DARKASS04EXT
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Announcement: Regarding the events of the last week... - Chevy TrailBlazer, TrailBlazer SS and GMC Envoy Forum
The TV admin is stating the mods sabatoged the TV website.
The TV admin is stating the mods sabatoged the TV website.
fishsticks
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I'm still on "Global Ignore". Funny, I never posted any "ridiculous links".
Sure would be nice if someone with an account would go over there and set the record straight on the "malicious changes" that were made. I'm pretty sure all of us volunteered for our signatures.
Of course whatever is written will be deleted. I'm sure they're only interested in a one sided conversation.
Sure would be nice if someone with an account would go over there and set the record straight on the "malicious changes" that were made. I'm pretty sure all of us volunteered for our signatures.
Of course whatever is written will be deleted. I'm sure they're only interested in a one sided conversation.
JRTAHOE
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DARKASS04EXT said:Announcement: Regarding the events of the last week... - Chevy TrailBlazer, TrailBlazer SS and GMC Envoy Forum
The TV admin is stating the mods sabatoged the TV website.
It was probably Ghoster
HARDTRAILZ
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I for one know for a FACT there was no back end sabotage. If there was, I would have been the one who could do it since I was not banned from there until recently. This is completely false and misleading information. The only other person who would have had access to the back end would have been Jman. He and I did not set out nor did we ever plan on or intend to do any harm to the integrity of the site and its programming.
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I touched on this in the black eye thread.
http://gmtnation.com/f2/lets-not-give-ourselves-black-eye-355/index6.html#post10711
http://gmtnation.com/f2/lets-not-give-ourselves-black-eye-355/index6.html#post10711
fishsticks
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Fishhunter911 said:
I don't think any of us here think for a second there was any "sabotage". That's just spin to paint this site as a bunch of vandals.
I basically got told to go fly a kite regarding removing my content. I'm on global ignore, so it's not visible to the public anymore, but I am researching the parties I need to contact to file a DMCA takedown notice with the second they republish them.
fishsticks
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harmless said:It's like watching a bad PR campaign after a political leader was caught with his pants down...
One train wreck after another.
Unfortunately, as with other bad PR campaigns, it may work against masses of uninformed people.
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jusbarron said:
For the record, the act of changing people's signatures was requested by each and every person that it was done for. As for the "malicious" actions they are claiming... it was the act of deleting extremely off-topic and inappropriate images and posts that were made by members, not staff, during the transition phase. Myself, Joe, or any of the moderators never had any intention of "sabotaging" TrailVoy, as the idiots at VerticalScope have suggested, we fully expected that at some point, we would be asked to step down and pursue our new site. Using our well known identities to sabotage a site that WE all built, not them, is ridiculous.
VerticleScope is now in the process of trying to harm this community with legal action, but we'll hold off with that until their mistake has played out.
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They claim that things were done "maliciuosly". We did change users signatures! At the request of the users! Those requests are in a thread on here for public viewing. Thats not malicious.
Read the last line..... "However, this will not turn into a finger pointing blame game just to try and hurt this community."
Someone want to point out to them that by posting what they did, THEY JUST POINTED THE FINGER!!!
Read the last line..... "However, this will not turn into a finger pointing blame game just to try and hurt this community."
Someone want to point out to them that by posting what they did, THEY JUST POINTED THE FINGER!!!
Boricua SS
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I saw this thread on the OS and I replied to it.. they haven't banned me yet.. and the Admin actually replied to me... I don't believe for a second that people sabatoged the site.. however, there were things done that I would've done differently... there are still people over there, that like us at one point, are new to the GMT platform that were looking for answers to their questions... their threads shouldn't have been overwhelmed like that...
At the end of the day, the OS has a plethra of knowledge along with ssowners, and so on... I highly doubt anything will change on the OS and I am here to stay on this one.. all TV stickers have been removed from my SS and I will be awaiting the arrival of new ones from this site when it is all said and done... too bad to all those people over there that don't have access to all these great people here.. I've spread the word as discretly as I could, in fact I got Spong to come over here today through an email.. I've posted the links on my FB page, etc... so word is getting out there...
At the end of the day, the OS has a plethra of knowledge along with ssowners, and so on... I highly doubt anything will change on the OS and I am here to stay on this one.. all TV stickers have been removed from my SS and I will be awaiting the arrival of new ones from this site when it is all said and done... too bad to all those people over there that don't have access to all these great people here.. I've spread the word as discretly as I could, in fact I got Spong to come over here today through an email.. I've posted the links on my FB page, etc... so word is getting out there...
fishsticks
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harmless
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Boricua SS said:
We gotta keep in mind that the "Admin" is just a puppet of the true master - VS. His hands are probably just as tied as our volunteer Admin team was. Their like the person you speak to when you call into a call center... just another underpaid gofer.
Not that I condone anything he's saying because I'm calling BS on most of his statement(s). But as someone above mentioned, his statement will probably herd the rest of the new sheep back into their corral and they'll never know any better.
It's a shame though that there might be a legal battle coming down the pipes...
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Fishhunter911 said:
The thread I linked in the Off-Topic forum has posts indicating VS's history of attempted legal strongarming. The jury's out on how successful they've been.
07Blazerman
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It has seriously gotten to legal action? Does this mean as members we might get summoned to go to court. Well I have just the tie to wear.
fletch09
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was just over @ the OS. i had change my signature (early last week) to: gmtnation.com come on over. just a statement, not a link
someone changed it to "trailvoy.com" come on over.
also the jag. banner did not come up. seems to load a little faster now.
tried to delete pics in my gallery, could not. any way to do that?
it also said current viewers (my Gallery) were me and like 177 non reg. users? really.
someone changed it to "trailvoy.com" come on over.
also the jag. banner did not come up. seems to load a little faster now.
tried to delete pics in my gallery, could not. any way to do that?
it also said current viewers (my Gallery) were me and like 177 non reg. users? really.
If you go back to the first post in THIS thread, I clearly asked that people not get carried away, but that we keep things professional and clean. Members are allowed to express their opinion, and their opinion was that there were too many ads and not enough features. The staff has silently grown tired of the BS, and when we finally did something about it, VS staff was no where to be found. Anything the staff did during the transition was legit, we can only do what VerticalScope allows us permission to do. While that could allow for malicious activity, it is obvious that aside from expressing opinions and spreading the word throughout the community, the site is still standing... if a malicious attack was the goal, I doubt that would be the case.
We moderated/deleted posts as needed when things got out of hand. That is what we have always done. They claim they are not pointing fingers at anyone, but I think you all see what we see... we don't have to tell you what to think.
I do not agree with how some members handled the transition, but I was not sitting at your keyboards when you posted your content. You did not see any posts come from my account (Jman423) as an administrator on TrailVoy, nor did I utilize a shill account. My hands were tied with the responsibilities of building this new site, which went from concept to grand opening in record time. All of the requests to alter people's signature, which I did not create, are still visible on this site, and I am sure they are still sitting in my PM box on TrailVoy... I did not force anyone to display anything. I simply did what I would have done as an admin when someone had a hard time getting their signature to work. Malicious? No.
What's next? They will promote some new staff, and they too will become tired of the lies and bullshit before VerticalScope completely ruins their desire to be an enthusiast anymore. While I would certainly respect anyone that took the position, I would also pity them... they are in for disappointing ride.
As for their claim that we never asked for improvements... all I can say is that there is a whole forum section of posts from several years in which the staff conducted business behind the scenes. This is typical of most large forums. That section contains all of the requests and complaints, some of which you have seen, that we have attempted to get VS to respond to, but I digress.
VerticalScope has to ask themselves why "we" (the WHOLE staff) would throw away years of hard work and networking with the community for no good reason. 1 person, fine... they might get tired and walk away. But when the WHOLE staff decides it is time to go (at the same instant), how could you even doubt that anything we claimed VS did or didn't do was anything but the truth?
We moderated/deleted posts as needed when things got out of hand. That is what we have always done. They claim they are not pointing fingers at anyone, but I think you all see what we see... we don't have to tell you what to think.
I do not agree with how some members handled the transition, but I was not sitting at your keyboards when you posted your content. You did not see any posts come from my account (Jman423) as an administrator on TrailVoy, nor did I utilize a shill account. My hands were tied with the responsibilities of building this new site, which went from concept to grand opening in record time. All of the requests to alter people's signature, which I did not create, are still visible on this site, and I am sure they are still sitting in my PM box on TrailVoy... I did not force anyone to display anything. I simply did what I would have done as an admin when someone had a hard time getting their signature to work. Malicious? No.
What's next? They will promote some new staff, and they too will become tired of the lies and bullshit before VerticalScope completely ruins their desire to be an enthusiast anymore. While I would certainly respect anyone that took the position, I would also pity them... they are in for disappointing ride.
As for their claim that we never asked for improvements... all I can say is that there is a whole forum section of posts from several years in which the staff conducted business behind the scenes. This is typical of most large forums. That section contains all of the requests and complaints, some of which you have seen, that we have attempted to get VS to respond to, but I digress.
VerticalScope has to ask themselves why "we" (the WHOLE staff) would throw away years of hard work and networking with the community for no good reason. 1 person, fine... they might get tired and walk away. But when the WHOLE staff decides it is time to go (at the same instant), how could you even doubt that anything we claimed VS did or didn't do was anything but the truth?
Boricua SS
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He probably didn't officially deny or refuse anything..... that would have required a response!! Without dragging names around in here, I have personal knowledge of 4 staff members attempting to get a response from vertical scope for various things. Hell, we didn't even know which "handler" we should address week to week. If you want a simple way to look at it, we use vbulletin to run our forums. As did Trailvoy. Trailvoy is 23 versions BEHIND!! We couldn't get them to update it!! That doesn't even include many many other updates that were needed.
So for them to say they never refused anything..... well they may not have actually said "no".... but they sure as hell never said YES either.
Typical misleading corporate bull shit.
Sorry for the rant.
Ghoster said:He probably didn't officially deny or refuse anything..... that would have required a response!! Without dragging names around in here, I have personal knowledge of 4 staff members attempting to get a response from vertical scope for various things. Hell, we didn't even know which "handler" we should address week to week. If you want a simple way to look at it, we use vbulletin to run our forums. As did Trailvoy. Trailvoy is 23 versions BEHIND!! We couldn't get them to update it!! That doesn't even include many many other updates that were needed.
So for them to say they never refused anything..... well they may not have actually said "no".... but they sure as hell never said YES either.
Typical misleading corporate bull shit.
Sorry for the rant.
They will take the position that there are SOOOO many sites in their network, but it comes down to them not wanting to spend the money on licensing and putting in the effort to keep the sites secure.
That 23 versions that they were behind did NOT include security patches, nor did it include alpha, beta, or release cadidates.
For the record... I offered to perform updates, fixes, and the addition of features that we requested... all of which I did before VS purchased the site... most requests were not answered, and some were just open-ended responses.
I spent several hours on the phone with VS when they bought the site, pleading to let me further the work I did for the community... after jumping through hoops and long periods of silence... I gave up.
fishsticks
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Stef,
Thank you SO much for saying what so many of us want to say over there. You are taking them to task in a calm, respectful but forceful way that makes every point they refuse to address erode their case.
You sir, are a true statesman.
Thank you SO much for saying what so many of us want to say over there. You are taking them to task in a calm, respectful but forceful way that makes every point they refuse to address erode their case.
You sir, are a true statesman.
Boricua SS
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harmless said:
Politely blunt
... well said though.. i defended the actions as well..and well you saw what he said to that..
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