Agreed. I sent Kevin an email asking for some technical information regarding these new headlights. When he responds, I will post up what I find out.Blckshdw said:I would want to know which of the Cree chips are being used, and how many. Then we could check the specs from the source to see how reliable that number is. The guy on HIDP that built those mini light bars told everyone exactly what model of Cree chip he was using, and how powerful the driver was, so you could calculate the lumens yourself to confirm. To say they have something be 3 times as bright makes me highly skeptical.
DFWWIZ Cree/Philips LED headlights
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I spoke to Kevin and he did not have much technical information to pass along regarding what LED chips and drivers are used. He did say that there are chips on both sides of the posts, but did not say how many chips are used. He did mention that a "rolling" fan is used to help with the heat dispersion. Things have not been finalized with the supplier so he does not have any information to forward on yet.
He did mention that he will POSSIBLY be offering the 9000 lumen LED headlights to previous customers for a $25 upgrade cost. Just need to mail him back the old Cree headlights and drivers. I am not sure if there is a cut off date from when you purchased the original Cree headlights or if that includes everyone.
Hopefully Kevin will post here when he has more information, but if he gets back to me I will post the additional technical info.
**Edit**
Also, the LED headlights are not 9000 lumens a piece, they are 9000 lumens combined (4500 lumens a piece). Kevin said the ones that he is currently selling are 7200 lumens combined (3600 lumens a piece). So you are looking at 1800 lumen increase combined, 900 a piece.
He did mention that he will POSSIBLY be offering the 9000 lumen LED headlights to previous customers for a $25 upgrade cost. Just need to mail him back the old Cree headlights and drivers. I am not sure if there is a cut off date from when you purchased the original Cree headlights or if that includes everyone.
Hopefully Kevin will post here when he has more information, but if he gets back to me I will post the additional technical info.
**Edit**
Also, the LED headlights are not 9000 lumens a piece, they are 9000 lumens combined (4500 lumens a piece). Kevin said the ones that he is currently selling are 7200 lumens combined (3600 lumens a piece). So you are looking at 1800 lumen increase combined, 900 a piece.
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Thanks for the update. I'll be doing the whole front end of my Malibu this spring sometime, so these would be some pretty nice High beams for that project. I will still be using HID lows and fogs. I'm assuming of course the new LED will be available in H9dmanns67 said:
Kevin did say that this new supplier offers more bases than just 880, 9005, and 9006. He mentioned H7 and H11. He said more will be offered.SBUBandit said:
Also, made a correction to my edit. He said the ones that he is selling now are 7200 lumen combined, 3600 lumen a piece. The new supplier offers 4500 lumen a piece, 9000 total. So an additional 1800 lumen combined.
**He is also currently taking pre-orders if anyone is interested in the new LED headlights**
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Not very well I would imagine. I will tell you how they work in the hi beam reflector housing as I have preordered a set. Only cost $35 to upgrade since I bought his other LED headlights. Just have to mail the others back when the new ones get here.Darkrider_LS said:
Blckshdw
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Technically, they will work. Just not as well as an HID bulb, which the projectors' optics are designed around since HIDs have true 360 degree output, while LEDs usually have the light emitted from 2 opposite sides.Darkrider_LS said:
DFWWIZ
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Holy Smokes this has been a whirlwind since posting on Facebook. just a little info on my routine right now..... I did chat with Niki from the factory in Guanhzhou via an IM on FB last night for about 30 min. I've gotten several payments in to paypal now so I'm at least doing $500 deposit tonite and then the balance right before they ship them to me. China will be having their New Years Holiday in Feb so most places shut down for 10 days up to 3 weeks so I'm hustling to get this first order done before all that. looking at 12-15 sets to begin with. These lights are a much better quality than the previous version which is now 14 months old. The bulbs has chips on both sides so light is dispersed left and right and since they are a domed chip it will fill the reflectors up very well. 9000 lumens is a hella lot compared to 2000 for stock halogen, 6000 for HID and 7200 for previous high for LED ( I will have more info on bulb types available, I couldn't open the file she sent me)
kdhwiz@aol.com is my email AND paypal address for those wanting a set(s) or more info...just please reference what it is you want to know more about.
I wanted to say thanks to Dave for helping me out and others who have sent paypal payments in. I am one guy whos doing all of this by himself - LED lighting, billet door sills, stainless lighted door sills, and hoefully soon the bilet bumper plates again. I do all of the powder coating/polishing, packaging, shipping, order taking, running to P.O. and follow ups etc. I had just zapped my paypal funds of $1200 right before Xmas for a shipment of 3157 switchbacks 120 LED sigals and 3157 SRCK bright tail light bulbs. And also had to settle up with CNC machinist on another bill for the billet door sills (SS and bowtie versions). Also with Dallas Autorama this Feb 13-15 I've been shoring up inventory for that big event and forked out $150 for tables.
And none of this counts toward the $10-15,000 we need to pay now for seed- corn and beans, fertilizer, herbacide, crop insurance and other stuff on our farm in Iowa. I'm still playing catch up with finishing several sets of door sills going to WA, AR, PA, FL and Russia. And this dang chill in TX of teens to 30's temps need to go back up north where it belongs so I can work in the garage with going numb! LOL
kdhwiz@aol.com is my email AND paypal address for those wanting a set(s) or more info...just please reference what it is you want to know more about.
I wanted to say thanks to Dave for helping me out and others who have sent paypal payments in. I am one guy whos doing all of this by himself - LED lighting, billet door sills, stainless lighted door sills, and hoefully soon the bilet bumper plates again. I do all of the powder coating/polishing, packaging, shipping, order taking, running to P.O. and follow ups etc. I had just zapped my paypal funds of $1200 right before Xmas for a shipment of 3157 switchbacks 120 LED sigals and 3157 SRCK bright tail light bulbs. And also had to settle up with CNC machinist on another bill for the billet door sills (SS and bowtie versions). Also with Dallas Autorama this Feb 13-15 I've been shoring up inventory for that big event and forked out $150 for tables.
And none of this counts toward the $10-15,000 we need to pay now for seed- corn and beans, fertilizer, herbacide, crop insurance and other stuff on our farm in Iowa. I'm still playing catch up with finishing several sets of door sills going to WA, AR, PA, FL and Russia. And this dang chill in TX of teens to 30's temps need to go back up north where it belongs so I can work in the garage with going numb! LOL
The H9 and H11 bulbs are very similar. I believe the H11 bulb has slightly larger locking tabs than the H9 bulb and there is a wattage difference with the halogen bulbs as well. You could either cut the locking tabs smaller or the easier route would to be to open up the tabs in the headlight to accept the H11 bulb. I actually had to open the tabs on my TB headlight to fit Kevin's Cree LED headlights. So that is an option.DFWWIZ said:
As far as bases available, looks like you forgot to mention H10. I seen D2 listed, not sure if that is a D2S though. Locking tabs look different than my D2S HID bulb base.
Kevin sent me the spec sheet for the new supplier and the LED chips used are Philips Luxeon MZ. There are (4) chips per headlight (2 on each side of the post) and they are 6500K in color. Looking at the Philips webiste, http://www.philipslumileds.com/products/luxeon-mz , it states that one chip is 980 luminous flux with a total of 3920 per headlight. A converter I found online says that 980 flux equals 1140 lumens. That would be 4560 lumens total for (4) chips per headlight. Not sure how accurate the converter is that I found.
Majority of the headlights are powered by 45w with the help of the driver. The 880 and 881 are both 25w, but only have (1) chip on each side of the post. Did not see any information on what type of driver is used though. I saved a pic from the spec sheet of the 9005 and 880 for reference. Since the 880 only has (2) chips total and runs off of 25w, they only produce 3000 lumens each. Looks like the heat sink is larger. Not sure if the overal length has changed as the post on the new LED headlights appear to be smaller than the Cree headlights.
9005
880
Did not see it mentioned in Kevin's post, but the official word from Kevin on pricing is $110 for a set. If you have the old style LED headlights and want to upgrade the cost will be $35. As with everything, all prices are subject to change.
From what I have seen, it will. The locking tabs on the H11 appear to be larger than the H9. Also there is a wattage difference with the halogens.SBUBandit said:
You could always open up the slots larger in the headlight to accept the H11. It would be cheaper to buy a cheap set of H11 halogens and check how they fit.
SBUBandit
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I agree it would be cheaper, but unlike the TB, to replace a headlight on a Malibu, you need to start by dismantling the car. By the time I get to the headlight the car would be down until I get the parts, so that won't work.dmanns67 said:
I was able to confirm however, with a little help from Google and Wikipedia, that H9 and H11 bases, PGJ19-5 and PGJ19-2 respectively, are mirror images of each other, so one tab will need to be slightly modified, on either the headlight or the bulb, whichever turns out to be easier. The plugs are different as well, but I'm guessing there is a wire from the factory plug to the driver on these anyways, in which case I could just swap the connector from H11 to H9 easily and be good to go.
All in all I think I can make H11 work, so I'll go ahead and preorder those. I'll have the money this weekend, so let me know where I need to paypal to and I'll get the money to Kevin.
DFWWIZ
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Again I have been chatting live with Niki (never have done that with any other of my suppliers before) on Facebook. I paid $1000 deposit tonite and the balance will be due next week. However, the line will have to be drawn at Monday on taking any more orders as they have the Holiday rush orders now hitting until the end of this month. IT gets a bit slower getting thing out. February is their Chinese New Years Celebration for 10 days to as long as 3 weeks....no body is manning any factories. I have 23 sets ordered now with most all spoken for, 2 or more sets ordered will have it up over $2000 total with DHL shipping at almost $200 and paypal fees.
If you start scratching numbers you know my margin is pretty damn low and most of ya probably wouldn't even venture into doing this type of thing for the time spent putting it together. But I like helping ya'll out getting the lights ya want and I've been at it for over 4 years now so I pretty much have the time to do it and It makes me feel good knowing I help the groups out.
I just got in some 3157 120 LED switchbacks and 3157 CK bright tail lights. These both go for $22/pair + shipping. And remember any time you put LEDs in to signal spots they have about 1/3 of the ohms as a filament bulb so the flasher is going to be twice as fast unless you add resistors to the signal wire across to the ground wire somewhere before the socket. I also sell thes these at $6/pair with T-taps to simplify installation.
Kdhwiz@aol.com is my paypal and my email address....hit me up if you have questions.
PS. A big thanks to Dave for helping me out with posting info and pics. I got a Lenovo laptop 2 months ago and it has been a POS, glitching, slow, not allowing me to open attachments. hopefuly I can take it back to Frys tomorrow or monday and get a better acting laptop. this thing was worse than my 4 year old Gateway (which pup broke the power cord jack internally) and the HP I replaced that with came aprt at the left hinge losing control/graphics after a good year.
If you start scratching numbers you know my margin is pretty damn low and most of ya probably wouldn't even venture into doing this type of thing for the time spent putting it together. But I like helping ya'll out getting the lights ya want and I've been at it for over 4 years now so I pretty much have the time to do it and It makes me feel good knowing I help the groups out.
I just got in some 3157 120 LED switchbacks and 3157 CK bright tail lights. These both go for $22/pair + shipping. And remember any time you put LEDs in to signal spots they have about 1/3 of the ohms as a filament bulb so the flasher is going to be twice as fast unless you add resistors to the signal wire across to the ground wire somewhere before the socket. I also sell thes these at $6/pair with T-taps to simplify installation.
Kdhwiz@aol.com is my paypal and my email address....hit me up if you have questions.
PS. A big thanks to Dave for helping me out with posting info and pics. I got a Lenovo laptop 2 months ago and it has been a POS, glitching, slow, not allowing me to open attachments. hopefuly I can take it back to Frys tomorrow or monday and get a better acting laptop. this thing was worse than my 4 year old Gateway (which pup broke the power cord jack internally) and the HP I replaced that with came aprt at the left hinge losing control/graphics after a good year.
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9000 lumen led sets for $105....I will stop taking orders after Sat Jan 17. I already have about 25 sets ordered and spoken for. Chinese New Year holiday is the month of Feb 10-21 days long and next ordering dates will follow that.
Types of bulbs: H1, H3, H4, H7, H8, H10, H11, H13, H16, 9004, 9005, 9006, 9007, 880, 881 and D2S.
My paypal/email address is kdhwiz@aol.com yes I will upgrade on exchange basis for thos who have my older version of 7200 lumens. cost is $35 and you send back the old sets to me once you have new in hand. I'm probably going out on a limb for that one
comparison lumens (per set): stock halogen is 2000, HIDs 6000, my old version LEDs 7200, my new style 9000.
Types of bulbs: H1, H3, H4, H7, H8, H10, H11, H13, H16, 9004, 9005, 9006, 9007, 880, 881 and D2S.
My paypal/email address is kdhwiz@aol.com yes I will upgrade on exchange basis for thos who have my older version of 7200 lumens. cost is $35 and you send back the old sets to me once you have new in hand. I'm probably going out on a limb for that one
comparison lumens (per set): stock halogen is 2000, HIDs 6000, my old version LEDs 7200, my new style 9000.
Blckshdw
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You gonna resell the old versions as clearance items or something? 
HARDTRAILZ
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Mounce
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I sent Kevin an email to see what the plan is with the used sets. Will update when he gets back with me.
Kevin just emailed me back and said that he is going to be selling the returned 7200 lumen Cree LED headlight kits for around $56 plus shipping.
He can POSSIBLY offer a 90 warranty as well. He will be able to get new drivers and Cree boards. If outside of warranty period, if any, a driver will cost around $10. Not sure what new Cree boards will run or a new headlight.
If you are interested in a used set of Cree LED headlights/fog lights, I would hit up Kevin and let him know so he can reserve a set once they start coming back to him. $56 is a deal for 7200 lumen Crees.
He can POSSIBLY offer a 90 warranty as well. He will be able to get new drivers and Cree boards. If outside of warranty period, if any, a driver will cost around $10. Not sure what new Cree boards will run or a new headlight.
If you are interested in a used set of Cree LED headlights/fog lights, I would hit up Kevin and let him know so he can reserve a set once they start coming back to him. $56 is a deal for 7200 lumen Crees.
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Great news!dmanns67 said:
gonna be hittin Kevin up to reserve a set. That's a great price! 
DFWWIZ
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OK, well my 9000 lumen order is up to $3000 and 35 sets for sure. I had one of the guys that was confused on what a "set" was (thought he was getting all 3 for $105). He finally understands now but still wants 3 sets so I'm taking a stab at in later this evening when I talke with Niki to see if its feasible to still add. She is allowing me to pay the balance even after this coming Friday since I plunked $1K down already to intiate the order. But its getting down to 2 weeks to have all sets finished before the 1st and I hope they all are finished in time to ship by then. Already getting people on board for the next order in March.
NOW for the older sets (sold over 300 in past 13 months) many want to exchange them for the new and all sets will be revamped before I sell them for right around $60 (might be $62 with priority mail shipping) and they will have a 90 warranty since I'm still able to get some drivers and boards from the factory. Even if its a cost a driver shouldn't be more then $10 and the Cree boards are likely to be a couple dollars. Now if we had someone who was good with electronics scanning equipment that can see the MOS tube is bad and knows enough how to replace with a better one, I have at least 50 driver sitting here now. I'm just not sure how labor intensive that really is (a 6 leg MOS tube). I'm sure I'll have more to come as time goes by. And Dave and I stay in touch so one of us will be able to shed some light on questions anyone might have.
Thanks
Kev
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817-905-0892 cell/text
NOW for the older sets (sold over 300 in past 13 months) many want to exchange them for the new and all sets will be revamped before I sell them for right around $60 (might be $62 with priority mail shipping) and they will have a 90 warranty since I'm still able to get some drivers and boards from the factory. Even if its a cost a driver shouldn't be more then $10 and the Cree boards are likely to be a couple dollars. Now if we had someone who was good with electronics scanning equipment that can see the MOS tube is bad and knows enough how to replace with a better one, I have at least 50 driver sitting here now. I'm just not sure how labor intensive that really is (a 6 leg MOS tube). I'm sure I'll have more to come as time goes by. And Dave and I stay in touch so one of us will be able to shed some light on questions anyone might have.
Thanks
Kev
kdhwiz@aol.com is my paypal and email address
817-905-0892 cell/text
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I finalized the order last Monday night and it ended up at 40 sets being shipped in 2 cartons and the cost is just under $4000 with paypal fees and shipping (that part was almost $400). So I miss calculated it costing me that much and I only made about 11% on these... hope no one is mad but on the next order around March 1st I'm upping the cost to $115/set to make it worth all my time and effort. That is still way below retail of $150-200. Shipping from the factory, these hopefully will be out right before Feb 1st and then its about 4 days via DHL to my doorstep and then the next few days after that I will get them all shipped out to everyone who purchased.
Thank you to everyone who helped out with this group buy, it actually was a little overwhelming at times with Facebook groups, 2 forums, and many emails and text messages.
The next order will be around March 1st.
Thank you to everyone who helped out with this group buy, it actually was a little overwhelming at times with Facebook groups, 2 forums, and many emails and text messages.
The next order will be around March 1st.
Envoy_04
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My original Crees are still turning the road into daylight in front of me, I can only imagine what these new ones will be like!! You guys who ordered 'em, we're gonna need pics! 
djthumper
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I am replacing the Crees in my hi beams with these new Philips LEDs. I already have HIDs in the low beams and fogs, so no need for those.kjkim93 said:
DFWWIZ
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Well the shipping was to have begun yesterday (Monday in China) so now I'm waiting for tracking number once Niki gives it to me.
At least they got them done and shipped before the Chinese new year. Can't wait to get these bad boys installed.DFWWIZ said:
