Auto-Braking Systems Are Being Confounded By Car Washes

What do you think about Auto Braking Systems


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$ Khalid ! 9130

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The soap’s on you if your car’s auto-braking system locks up in the middle of a car wash tunnel.

While fully self-driving cars still remain rooted in the future, a growing number of vehicles are offering semi-autonomous features that will, for example, self-park a car, help keep the vehicle centered within highway lane markers, and perhaps most importantly, automatically apply the brakes if necessary to help prevent both high- and low-speed collisions.

According to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, auto-braking systems can cut rear-end collisions by 40% and reduce the severity of crashes that do occur by 30% in terms of related bodily injury claims. Automakers and regulators agreed to make forward collision prevention systems standard in most light-duty cars and trucks by the 2022 model year.

Unfortunately, as recent events regarding Tesla’s so-called Autopilot system have shown, even today’s semi-autonomous auto technology remains far from perfect. And now, a just-issued report has identified a surprising – and surprisingly common – situation in which autonomous braking systems can be confounded to the extent that the vehicle becomes disabled.

And that would be the humble car wash.

According to the car-shopping site BestRide.com, fastidious motorists driving 14 different vehicle brands are finding that their rides can be rendered virtually immobilized at many automated car washes unless certain auto-braking systems can be disabled.

That’s because the sensors used for forward collision mitigation systems aren’t able to tell the difference between a solid wall and what the industry calls a “soft mitter curtain.” To an auto-braking systems sensors, both are considered large and equally hazardous obstructions with which collisions must be avoided. Car wash operators are reporting instances where cars have become stuck in mid-wash by their vehicles’ auto-braking systems. Some, ironically in the act of preventing a crash, have actually jumped the car wash rails and inadvertently caused a collision with the vehicle directly rearward.

What’s more, car wash operators report similar problems with some vehicles’ electronic parking brake systems holding up the queue, which tends to most hamper car washes in which the driver is required to leave the transmission in neutral, switch off the engine, and exit the car. Some cars engage the emergency brake automatically when a car is switched off, while others require a motorist to shift into park before turning off the engine.

“Collision detection, auto hold braking and other technologies are coming to every car as standard equipment by 2020,” said BestRide editor-in- chief Craig Fitzgerald. “Consumers have no idea about the unintended consequences of these technologies on simple, everyday tasks. We want drivers to be informed before they get to the car wash.”

The vehicles that can apparently be confounded by soap and suds come from Acura, BMW, Chrysler, Dodge, Fiat, Jeep, Lexus, Mercedes-Benz, RAM, Range Rover, Subaru, Tesla, Toyota, and Volvo.

It should be noted that auto-braking and electronic emergency braking systems have no effect if the car wash uses a conveyor belt system to move a car though the tunnel, rather than the conventional array of chains and rollers in which a car is physically pushed through the tunnel.

The situation is further complicated by the fact that not all semi-autonomous systems are created equal. “There’s no standardization in how autonomous and automatic braking systems work, how they’re disabled, or even if they can be disabled,” explains Eric Wulf CEO of the International Car Wash Association.

For example, Honda’s forward auto-braking system is designed to disengage automatically when the vehicle is moving slower than 10 mph, which presents no problem to even the quickest car washes. Others require drivers to manually disable the system, which, depending on the make and model, can be a simple as holding down a button or as complicated as navigating the menus in a vehicle’s touchscreen operating system. Some systems remain active even when the vehicle is turned off.

This information is usually detailed – however deeply buried – in a new-vehicle’s owner’s manual, but that assumes a given motorist actually ever cracks the book open, let alone studies it. A complete list of affected models and official workarounds compiled by BestRide in conjunction with the International Car Wash Association can be found here.

Nice Article on MSN Autos about Auto Braking Systems. I really can't wait till all those who don't like to drive will own self driving cars and I can fully enjoy driving my TB MYSELF. Someday....

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http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news...-washes/ar-AAjobDc?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp
 
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Mooseman

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Obviously some refinements are necessary or more importantly, an override or off switch. Heck, we have that with Stabilitrak.
 

kickass audio

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I'm only 25 and i'm old school for thinking this way but if you need your vehicle to drive for you, you shouldn't be on the road. I hate the stupid cars that parallel park for you, stop for you, turn your wheel if you drift out of the lane, etc. Hell I even hate blondestar in the cars. lol. If I had my way when my Envoy is too old for me to want anymore with the rust starting on it (probably will be tossed in like 3-4 more years) I'd get a silverado or something of the like with a manual transmission and bare bones stock for the add-ons. I'd only mod the batteries, alternator and put in my computer for the dashboard and my system in the back.
 

$ Khalid ! 9130

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I'm only 25 and i'm old school for thinking this way but if you need your vehicle to drive for you, you shouldn't be on the road. I hate the stupid cars that parallel park for you, stop for you, turn your wheel if you drift out of the lane, etc. Hell I even hate blondestar in the cars. lol. If I had my way when my Envoy is too old for me to want anymore with the rust starting on it (probably will be tossed in like 3-4 more years) I'd get a silverado or something of the like with a manual transmission and bare bones stock for the add-ons. I'd only mod the batteries, alternator and put in my computer for the dashboard and my system in the back.

Heyyy, I am only 17 and I feel exactly the same way :2thumbsup:
 

Mooseman

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People said the same thing when seat belts came along. ABS really did suck at first and the first airbags killed people. I'm not for totally autonomous vehicles though but I can see the usefulness of the emergency braking.

And I'm over 50
 
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littleblazer

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The automatic braking on my friends car freaked out one day... he said it was interesting going from 80 MPH to 20 in a couple of seconds... it wouldn't do it if you pulled it out of drive too which was strange.
 

Chickenhawk

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Technology shouldn't take the place of good training and proper awareness. If it does, it just let's stupid people be stupider.

Technology is at its most advantageous when it can help good drivers be excellent drivers. ABS is a good example. There are a lot of misconceptions about ABS. Many people think it helps them stop shorter; it doesn't. ABS actually lengthens stopping distances. What it does is to help drivers steer around obstacles without locking the wheels up in panic. A really good driver can stop shorter without ABS and steer around obstacles using threshold braking techniques, but they need to be a REALLY good driver. So ABS doesn't help the excellent driver much (and might even lengthen stopping distances as I said) but the big advantage is that any driver, regardless of ability, can panic stomp the brake and suddenly have the ability to perform what previously could only be done by the top 1% in driving skills.

While ABS is good, the greatest single technological advance in modern automotive safety in my opinion is electronic stability control. I see the amount of people killed in rollover accidents, when simple physics says that a rollover is the most survivable of all car accidents. Energy is dissipated over a much greater time and distance and assuming a properly belted occupant, should be easily survived. ESC can prevent these rollovers or loss of control on curves, and again, make someone instantly an expert (without them needing to do anything except keep looking where they want to go.)

If you don't believe me that ESC is the greatest single advancement of this decade, watch for all the skid marks on the highway. Notice how most of them go diagonally from the left ditch across the highway into the right ditch. These are all loss-of-control situations and the vast majority of them resulted in rollovers.

Now, thankfully it is a lot tougher to roll over a TB than any other SUV, but still - wear your seatbelt. If you don't, neither Mario Andretti nor Tom Cruise can save you.
 

$ Khalid ! 9130

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Technology shouldn't take the place of good training and proper awareness. If it does, it just let's stupid people be stupider.

Technology is at its most advantageous when it can help good drivers be excellent drivers. ABS is a good example. There are a lot of misconceptions about ABS. Many people think it helps them stop shorter; it doesn't. ABS actually lengthens stopping distances. What it does is to help drivers steer around obstacles without locking the wheels up in panic. A really good driver can stop shorter without ABS and steer around obstacles using threshold braking techniques, but they need to be a REALLY good driver. So ABS doesn't help the excellent driver much (and might even lengthen stopping distances as I said) but the big advantage is that any driver, regardless of ability, can panic stomp the brake and suddenly have the ability to perform what previously could only be done by the top 1% in driving skills.

While ABS is good, the greatest single technological advance in modern automotive safety in my opinion is electronic stability control. I see the amount of people killed in rollover accidents, when simple physics says that a rollover is the most survivable of all car accidents. Energy is dissipated over a much greater time and distance and assuming a properly belted occupant, should be easily survived. ESC can prevent these rollovers or loss of control on curves, and again, make someone instantly an expert (without them needing to do anything except keep looking where they want to go.)

If you don't believe me that ESC is the greatest single advancement of this decade, watch for all the skid marks on the highway. Notice how most of them go diagonally from the left ditch across the highway into the right ditch. These are all loss-of-control situations and the vast majority of them resulted in rollovers.

Now, thankfully it is a lot tougher to roll over a TB than any other SUV, but still - wear your seatbelt. If you don't, neither Mario Andretti nor Tom Cruise can save you.

Beautiful Post. I really enjoyed reading it. This should be an essential part of the Drivers Ed course. :2thumbsup:
 

shovenose

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I'd like to see some pictures of how dirty they are
the rain has cleaned all my trucks. the rest of the year they don't look so good lol. i just drove the envoy through a bunch of mud on purpose. the old burb is a little dirty on the bottom where the rain didn't wash it, but i'm selling it so i don't care. my 99 somehow always looks nice. i think silver cars are easy to keep looking clean even when they are a little dirty.

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