Badbart said:
The article says the cases were visible in the back seat of an SUV. Not really what I'd call a cargo area. Any time I transport my long guns, they're in the cargo area of my SUV with the cover pulled over them, or the trunk of my car. Just common sense to me. I don't want them seen. To easy for someone to do a smash and grab.
Those officers most likely thought they had apprehended a burglar given the quantity of guns in the vehicle. When I was a deputy one of my guys did a traffic stop on a suspicious vehicle at 2:30 in the morning and observed hand guns on the passenger floor. He held the driver at gunpoint until backup got there. The passenger bailed and ran but was caught later. We recovered 17 guns that night and solved 12 burglaries that these guys committed.
I really believe if the guy had properly identified himself and not lied to the officer about what he had in the car he probably would have walked. But when I see a gun case in your car and you tell me, "No, no, all good". That's a red flag!
As for the concern about searching the vehicle for officer safety, I'm good with that. Yes, they had the suspect out of the vehicle, but they had gun cases in plain veiw. They had a suspect that was not cooperative or forthcoming when questioned. What would you do? Let him go back to his vehicle after you had determined he had gun cases in it and wait to see if he pulled a gun? That's not how we operate. They did the right thing. He didn't. Never lie to a law enforcement officer. And if he was indeed a former officer, he knew better.
I could not disagree more with this post. I will lie, and hide the truth at every chance I get with a cop. They have no right to search my vehicle, my persons, or anything else without probable cause, which was not displayed in this case. Don't like it, to bad bro. I am not giving up my liberty for your safety. His guns were in the case, unloaded, in the back seat of the vehicle. Its not like he had it on his lap, or the passenger seat. Besides, it would have taken longer for him to get to one of those guns, load it, and fire, than the cop would have needed to just pull his gun, and fire, if needed. Falls under the unreasonable search and seizure. I am allowed to carry a gun. Most cops just don't like it that a CIVILIAN has the same amount of power as the cop. This is not a civilian, this falls under a militia, or whatever open carry laws you want. Just tired of cops thinking they are entitled to "flex their muscles" at every chance they get. And before you go off on me about it, realize, I am also a EX-LEO. I left the LEO because cops generally don't give a shit about civilians rights, and most LEO agency's are corrupt.
Now whether or not the guy identified himself as a EX-LEO has no bearing on this at all. And to the New Jersey cop, would not have made a difference at all. Bloomberg (I know, wrong state), and whatever Democrat you want to mention, are just trying to take all our rights away. Instead of standing up to the people that are ignoring ever facet of the constitution, like all the Sherriff's of the Sheriff's Departments of all the county's in the state of Colorado are, they are just putting a blind eye to our rights as the people of the United States of America, and blindly "following orders". If the Orders don't agree with the laws of the land, than one of them is not to be followed.
I swore an oath, and so did every military, LEO, politician, etc, to uphold the Constitution of the United States of America. To go against this document is to commit High Treason, punishable by death.
Grr.. Going to shut up now, to many Sheeple around..
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