GM might be forced into a new Trailblazer

northcreek

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If Ford builds this new Bronco as projected, GM might have to quit talking about a new TB and actually build one.

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#4
I don't like the grille and bumper design, but the body design and rims I can work with.
 

christo829

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#5
It kinda has the look of the old International Harvester Scouts, so I guess Ford is working the retro
concept on this as well. I wish GM *would* get off the stick and make another body on frame platform
like the GMT360.

I kind of like it, but part of that might be because a friend of mine in high school *had*
one of those Scouts (and a Jeepster Commander), and most all the memories associated with those vehicles
are good ones. :smile:

Cheers-

Chris
 

littleblazer

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#8
Highly doubtful at least in my opinion. GM isn't as daring as they once were, like having an SS versions of almost every model back in 09. Heck, GM doesn't have anything competing with Ford's ST lineup or even MOPAR's SRT lineup.
After sitting in a dodge at the philly auto show a few weeks ago, I understand why GM doesn't bother. The cruze base I sat in had a better build quality than anything Fiat had there....
 
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northcreek

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Highly doubtful at least in my opinion. GM isn't as daring as they once were, like having an SS versions of almost every model back in 09. Heck, GM doesn't have anything competing with Ford's ST lineup or even MOPAR's SRT lineup.
I guess GM can always stick the Vette in their collective faces :poke:

I would like that with an LS in it...:2thumbsup:
 

Capote

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#10
They'd come out with a new Blazer if anything (highly doubtful). GM went with the boring, Equinox-esque, un-intimidating, ugly soccer-mom look when they decided to re-brand the TB's for sale in the East. So they're not gonna redesign it just to compete with a Bronco. A modernized 2-door Blazer/Jimmy would make more sense for that kind of competition.
 
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northcreek

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#11
Probably Ford is just "blowing smoke" . Fact is that 2-doors and std. cab pick-ups just don't sell anymore .
 

Shaw520

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#13
They made 2 door Tahoe's right up till' 99',.. Wouldnt that be considered the same platform as the f/s Blazer?
 

Instrumental

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#14
No way they come out with a new TB when they've go the Encore/Trax Terrain/Equinox and Enclave/Traverse triple threat. It would compete with segments they already have. If you want the body on frame heavy duty feel, then they want you in a Tahoe. To be honest, the Traverse does pretty much everything towing wise that the TB does.

I say no way.
 

Reprise

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#16
To be honest, the Traverse does pretty much everything towing wise that the TB does.
Even in its new SUV-looking guise for 2018 (an improvement, IMO), the primary drive wheels are in the front. And its rated tow capacity for '18 was *reduced* to 1500lb (old version was rated at 2000).

Personally, I don't think I'd call that the equivalent of the GMT360 / 370 platform (my Envoy XL is rated for 7000, as an example). I'd have serious reservations about towing anything more than a bike rack with any FF transaxle, to be honest.
 
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northcreek

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Even in its new SUV-looking guise for 2018 (an improvement, IMO), the primary drive wheels are in the front. And its rated tow capacity for '18 was *reduced* to 1500lb (old version was rated at 2000).

Personally, I don't think I'd call that the equivalent of the GMT360 / 370 platform (my Envoy XL is rated for 7000, as an example). I'd have serious reservations about towing anything more than a bike rack with any FF transaxle, to be honest.
I agree, those FD transaxles are only good for hauling our asses around, put anything on the hitch and they're toast. I smoked two of them with an occasional hauling of a firewood trailer(within manuf. rating) that was a Ford though (first and last).
 
#18
FWD and towing generally just don't go together. If you're gonna tow, get RWD.
 

cornchip

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#19
I figure most already know that GM is going to slot in 'another' CUV between the Traverse and Equinox called the Blazer (current 2018 Acadia). As good as it looks from the outside, it's the FWD stuff were all used to seeing. Sad that they can't rip a page from Jeep and 'uni frame' the chassis while providing a true RWD architecture. It would then be a true competitor to the Grand Cherokee. I could live with that.

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2017/08/2018-chevrolet-blazer-spied-testing-alongside-rival-crossovers/
 

Reprise

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#20
Appreciate you posting that link. As someone said in the comments section, the better option for this new 'Blazer' would've been to put it on the Colorado (31xx) platform.

Body on Frame, Rear- or 4WD (instead of AWD), and a 300+ HP V6, along with perhaps an off-road option based on the pickup's ZR2 trim would mean lower development costs, just as they have with the planned crossover - all of those things are used in the Colorado. And it could tow - maybe 3500 - 5000 lbs, depending on transmission (although at the upper boundary, they might start cannibalizing Silverado / Yukon numbers.)

(on edit - the Colorado is tow rated for 3500-7000, depending on trim level)

I think a truck like this would steal sales from various Jeep models.

Unfortunately, to do *both* a 31xx SUV as well as a 21xx crossover - they'd probably cannibalize each other, and *neither* would reach needed sales figures to be profitable in GM's view (not that it would cost a fortune to build either - or both - being shared platform.)
 
#21
So all this to say that guys like us will likely wind up in a Tahoe or a full sized pickup. The Colorado is also an option but I have yet to try to get my fat butt in one.
 
#22
They just need to build it on the current Colorado platform, but maybe with the new 4.3L V6 in it instead of the 3.6L V6, ya know??
 

Capote

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#23
So all this to say that guys like us will likely wind up in a Tahoe or a full sized pickup. The Colorado is also an option but I have yet to try to get my fat butt in one.
They just need to build it on the current Colorado platform, but maybe with the new 4.3L V6 in it instead of the 3.6L V6, ya know??
Saw an '04 Colorado on Craigslist the other day that intrigued me, being that I like smaller single cab pickups. I can see myself driving one of those when the TB becomes a Turbo Toy.
 

shovenose

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#24
I owned an 07 Colorado, really didn't like it. Compared to my Escape 2.5L it was a bit better but not by much. Tranny went out at 7x,xxx on that Colorado but I think that was just random bad luck. Interior was really bad quality. Ride quality was poor. Turning radius far worse than any other vehicle I've owned including all my Suburbans, the Crown Vic, and a couple times my friend drove it he remarked his F-550 had a better turning radius. The Colorado also handled very poorly in the rain, even with Michelin tires.

That said the whole segment kinda sucks. Dakotas are unreliable, Rangers handle, ride, and drive even worse than the Colorado. Tacomas are way overpriced, expensive to repair, and the interiors are not nice either.
 
#25
To be honest, the Traverse does pretty much everything towing wise that the TB does.
Complete crap statement. I owned one and was warned to even get over half the tow rating behind it and that rating was about half the TB platform to begin with. They are a joke and really should not even have a hitch on them.
 

Instrumental

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#26
I'm sure that's true, it's a FWD minivan on steroids. However, GM is happy to claim a 5,000 lb rating for the Traverse (when properly equipped, of course). I stand by my statement - in GM's eyes, there is not a hole in their lineup to be filled with a new trailblazer. The group of people on this board are not even remotely the typical customer that they're looking for. Most people by far would never even think of hitching anything beyond a bike rack to their SUV. If they ever happen to drive down a dirt road that's about as off-road as it gets. That's the market.
 

Reprise

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#27
(@Instrumental - please keep in mind that I'm not laughing 'at you', but rather at the ludicrousness of GM's claim... )

5000 lbs 'when properly equipped' ?
Does that mean a Silvy 2500 to tow the Traverse and whatever is hooked up to the Traverse's hitch? LMAO

Sorry, but you've got a lot of people here adhering to a common mindset (which has been proven out, time and again)...

"If it's a FF unibody, it ain't a capable tow vehicle"
 

Instrumental

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#28
I agree with you, my SaabBlazer is the first frame on vehicle I've towed with, and it's such a pleasure to tow with compared to my previous. I'm just contributing to the conversation.
 

Reprise

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#30
^^^ I was about to say that I admire your candor (about the 'cheaper alternative', because it would impact your operating margin negatively.)

As far as the crack about Ford... A true GM associate wouldn't post that on a public forum, using their company's logo.)
Then I looked at your profile responses, and that cinched it. BTW, you might want to proofread your content there, as that's another giveaway.

I know your profile indicates that you've been a member since 2015 - but I *very* much doubt you work for GM, in any capacity.

And now I'll put my little troll hat on for a second... You actually *were* forced into something. Bankruptcy. :wink:
 
#31
^^^ I was about to say that I admire your candor (about the 'cheaper alternative', because it would impact your operating margin negatively.)

As far as the crack about Ford... A true GM associate wouldn't post that on a public forum, using their company's logo.)
Then I looked at your profile responses, and that cinched it. BTW, you might want to proofread your content there, as that's another giveaway.

I know your profile indicates that you've been a member since 2015 - but I *very* much doubt you work for GM, in any capacity.

And now I'll put my little troll hat on for a second... You actually *were* forced into something. Bankruptcy. :wink:
Eh, Ford should have died with the 80s with all the recalls they had rolling... And that account is well known to be an actual member on here, I just forget who...

As for using a traverse to tow my boat, that thing wouldn't make it down any of the ramps we have here... Hell the TB usually drags the spare. You have to bury the truck to get the trailer deep enough because the ramps are all washed out from the jetskiers... Would never even try it. It's a minivan... GM just doesn't want to admit it.
 

Reprise

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#32
And that account is well known to be an actual member on here, I just forget who...
Oh, I'm sure they're an actual *person* (e.g.; not a bot). I just seriously doubt they represent GM, given what I (and they) posted above.

If it turns out they actually *do*... they better hope no one from Corp Affairs monitors employee's social media activity posted in GM's name.
(and I'll eat my proverbial hat, as well)

Re: Ford - I'm no big fan of theirs, don't get me wrong. But employees of both companies would never say things like that about the other, publicly. They do more business together than one would think (and I'm not just talking about that new 10-speed trans they both developed / put into their respective vehicles.)

Ok...taking my corporate nanny hat off now... :poke: :popo: :deadhorse:
 
#33
Oh, I'm sure they're an actual *person* (e.g.; not a bot). I just seriously doubt they represent GM, given what I (and they) posted above.

If it turns out they actually *do*... they better hope no one from Corp Affairs monitors employee's social media activity posted in GM's name.
(and I'll eat my proverbial hat, as well)

Re: Ford - I'm no big fan of theirs, don't get me wrong. But employees of both companies would never say things like that about the other, publicly. They do more business together than one would think (and I'm not just talking about that new 10-speed trans they both developed / put into their respective vehicles.)

Ok...taking my corporate nanny hat off now... :poke: :popo: :deadhorse:
They've been developing transmissions together since the 90s iirc.
 

Reprise

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#34
#35
GM was/is banned round here. They only respond with....take it to a dealership. They can't do shit about posting in their name on stuff like this anyway Millions of screennames use GM or chevy or gmc or camaro or trailblazer or any such thing. No need for tinfoil hats cause they aint gonna come swooping in.

Love this old post....

VerticalScope, welcome to the GM family!

We just bought you out and all of your forums. We were especially interested in GMTNation because they know their stuff and how to fix OUR stuff, because obviously, we can't. We need the collective (get it? collective, Borg) knowledge of the great people here as well as the archives at TrailVoy to allow us to give our customers real answers when they need them. We will also absorb all of your other GM related forums because they are "or were" run by enthusiasts before you destroyed them. All other non-GM related forums are now dead and deleted from the Internet. This will only help us as the countless people searching for answers on their "other" vehicles will be lost and will see the great service that GM now provides.

We will bring those dead forums back to life with our great moderator teams or "Client Service Representatives" who will be responsive to our clients needs. They will offer fresh and consistent answers to all of their questions and will certainly make use of all that information to give it out for our own profits.

We will also have to remove from all reference to any and all parts and services that are not GM approved as only GM parts bought from our authorized dealers (not Amazon, eBay or that rock place) are good enough for your GM vehicle. Any reference to any aftermarket parts will result in an instant ban. Even mentioning anything not GM related will result in a ban.

Say goodbye to VS and say Hello to the dawn of a new age of great forum levity and banter without all that post whorring and useless games and such. We have no use for them.

GM CEO Garth Nader
 
#36
Ha, the only thing I've ever seen any corporate shill from any manufacturer is "We're sorry, go take it to your dealer."
 

Reprise

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#37
Ha, the only thing I've ever seen any corporate shill from any manufacturer is "We're sorry, go take it to your dealer."
I wouldn't doubt that when you'd see those 'please contact me at schlub@gm.com' or some such, and the customer did, they'd then reply with the name / address of their closest Chevy dealer, with a "we've made an appt for you here so that you can get your issue resolved" ":Banghead:
 

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