After sitting in a dodge at the philly auto show a few weeks ago, I understand why GM doesn't bother. The cruze base I sat in had a better build quality than anything Fiat had there....Highly doubtful at least in my opinion. GM isn't as daring as they once were, like having an SS versions of almost every model back in 09. Heck, GM doesn't have anything competing with Ford's ST lineup or even MOPAR's SRT lineup.
I guess GM can always stick the Vette in their collective facesHighly doubtful at least in my opinion. GM isn't as daring as they once were, like having an SS versions of almost every model back in 09. Heck, GM doesn't have anything competing with Ford's ST lineup or even MOPAR's SRT lineup.
I would like that with an LS in it...I kinda like that
Even in its new SUV-looking guise for 2018 (an improvement, IMO), the primary drive wheels are in the front. And its rated tow capacity for '18 was *reduced* to 1500lb (old version was rated at 2000).To be honest, the Traverse does pretty much everything towing wise that the TB does.
I agree, those FD transaxles are only good for hauling our asses around, put anything on the hitch and they're toast. I smoked two of them with an occasional hauling of a firewood trailer(within manuf. rating) that was a Ford though (first and last).Even in its new SUV-looking guise for 2018 (an improvement, IMO), the primary drive wheels are in the front. And its rated tow capacity for '18 was *reduced* to 1500lb (old version was rated at 2000).
Personally, I don't think I'd call that the equivalent of the GMT360 / 370 platform (my Envoy XL is rated for 7000, as an example). I'd have serious reservations about towing anything more than a bike rack with any FF transaxle, to be honest.
So all this to say that guys like us will likely wind up in a Tahoe or a full sized pickup. The Colorado is also an option but I have yet to try to get my fat butt in one.
Saw an '04 Colorado on Craigslist the other day that intrigued me, being that I like smaller single cab pickups. I can see myself driving one of those when the TB becomes a Turbo Toy.They just need to build it on the current Colorado platform, but maybe with the new 4.3L V6 in it instead of the 3.6L V6, ya know??
Complete crap statement. I owned one and was warned to even get over half the tow rating behind it and that rating was about half the TB platform to begin with. They are a joke and really should not even have a hitch on them.To be honest, the Traverse does pretty much everything towing wise that the TB does.
Eh, Ford should have died with the 80s with all the recalls they had rolling... And that account is well known to be an actual member on here, I just forget who...^^^ I was about to say that I admire your candor (about the 'cheaper alternative', because it would impact your operating margin negatively.)
As far as the crack about Ford... A true GM associate wouldn't post that on a public forum, using their company's logo.)
Then I looked at your profile responses, and that cinched it. BTW, you might want to proofread your content there, as that's another giveaway.
I know your profile indicates that you've been a member since 2015 - but I *very* much doubt you work for GM, in any capacity.
And now I'll put my little troll hat on for a second... You actually *were* forced into something. Bankruptcy.
Oh, I'm sure they're an actual *person* (e.g.; not a bot). I just seriously doubt they represent GM, given what I (and they) posted above.And that account is well known to be an actual member on here, I just forget who...
They've been developing transmissions together since the 90s iirc.Oh, I'm sure they're an actual *person* (e.g.; not a bot). I just seriously doubt they represent GM, given what I (and they) posted above.
If it turns out they actually *do*... they better hope no one from Corp Affairs monitors employee's social media activity posted in GM's name.
(and I'll eat my proverbial hat, as well)
Re: Ford - I'm no big fan of theirs, don't get me wrong. But employees of both companies would never say things like that about the other, publicly. They do more business together than one would think (and I'm not just talking about that new 10-speed trans they both developed / put into their respective vehicles.)
Ok...taking my corporate nanny hat off now...
VerticalScope, welcome to the GM family!
We just bought you out and all of your forums. We were especially interested in GMTNation because they know their stuff and how to fix OUR stuff, because obviously, we can't. We need the collective (get it? collective, Borg) knowledge of the great people here as well as the archives at TrailVoy to allow us to give our customers real answers when they need them. We will also absorb all of your other GM related forums because they are "or were" run by enthusiasts before you destroyed them. All other non-GM related forums are now dead and deleted from the Internet. This will only help us as the countless people searching for answers on their "other" vehicles will be lost and will see the great service that GM now provides.
We will bring those dead forums back to life with our great moderator teams or "Client Service Representatives" who will be responsive to our clients needs. They will offer fresh and consistent answers to all of their questions and will certainly make use of all that information to give it out for our own profits.
We will also have to remove from all reference to any and all parts and services that are not GM approved as only GM parts bought from our authorized dealers (not Amazon, eBay or that rock place) are good enough for your GM vehicle. Any reference to any aftermarket parts will result in an instant ban. Even mentioning anything not GM related will result in a ban.
Say goodbye to VS and say Hello to the dawn of a new age of great forum levity and banter without all that post whorring and useless games and such. We have no use for them.
GM CEO Garth Nader
I wouldn't doubt that when you'd see those 'please contact me at email@example.com' or some such, and the customer did, they'd then reply with the name / address of their closest Chevy dealer, with a "we've made an appt for you here so that you can get your issue resolved" "Ha, the only thing I've ever seen any corporate shill from any manufacturer is "We're sorry, go take it to your dealer."