Firearms

[Fire06]

That sucks

 

[xtitan1]

Read what you were hoping to get (686, prelock). Had to look that one up. Basically means you want the S&W 686 revolver but one that was made before S&W started putting an internal lock mechanism on the guns?

 

[TollKeeper]

I picked up a SR22 for my wife. She couldn't rack the slide on a bigger caliber and the SR was the best fit for her (I liked the PPK/S 22 or Sig Mosquito)

Have that same gun (minus the pink ). Best 22 pistol I have used this far.

 

[Ghost]

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JD machine lower, Daniel defense parts, BCM upper bcm gunfighter charging handle, m16 bcg, RRA hbar barrel 16" 1/7 twist. Custom free float tube handgaurd. Items not pictured FAB IDF defense pistol grip ,Meyers military flash hider , standard railed gas block and FAB IDF defense magwell grip. I only use 5.56 FMJ 67grn

I'm in commiefornia so bullet button is installed and magazine is a 10/30 pinned.

Maybe Santa.Claus will hook me up with a EOtech, I have been super naughty so I may settle with a vortex strikefire

 

[Ghost]

Which one would you choose? Just pick from the options; no secondary recommendations, please. (If there are secondary recommendations make sure it comes in 9mm.)

A. Glock 19 G4 9mm
B. Sig Sauer P229 9mm
C. Heckler & Koch USP Compact 9mm


Glock is the cheapest, so more $ can be put into accesories and ammo. The Sig and the H&K I can get for the same price, about $300 more than the Glock.

A. FTW! I have two. Well three if you count my Chinese airsoft clone with real trademarks

 

[Mark20]

I've only handled the Sig and loved the fit to my hand. But I have fired the Glock and am comfortable with it so I would go with it.

 

[Short Bus]

My wife let me pick out and order my own Christmas gift, so I have this coming

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She says I can't have it until X-mas, it's gonna be a long wait.

 

[The_Roadie]

A wife-waiting period? Is that Constitutional?

 

[jrSS]

Happy WIFE...happy LIFE. Sometimes its better to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission.

 

[Fire06]

I will 2nd that.

 

[Badbart]

A wife-waiting period? Is that Constitutional?

I think that's covered under the "for better or worse" portion of the vows Roadie.....better do what she says, things can get worse.....

 

[Bartonmd]

A deer that I got a month or so ago, with my .458 SOCOM deer rifle. Not a huge rack (not that I care), but was a 1.5 year old ~150# deer.

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[Short Bus]

 

[mike_k]

 

[Envoy_04]

My Christmas present - M&P Shield in 40 S&W. Havent got to put anything downrange with it yet, waiting is killing me.

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EDIT: Not sure why the pic is sideways...

 

[Fire06]

Nice present.

 

[Envoy_04]

Nice present.

Thanks!


I haven't gotten to go out and shoot yet - been too busy lately and the weather hasn't permitted when I've had free time. I do have a sort of "first look" review though after handling it a good bit and having it broken down to clean and lightly lubricate it for the first time.

The Shield feels good in your hand (or at least mine) with the 7 round magazine that is pictured above, which allows room for a shooter to have all three fingers on the gun. The standard magazine also comes with it and holds 6 rounds, but leaves the little finger with no place to go - not a big deal if you're used to shooting the small guns like the various .380s that have become popular lately. The gun is slim, I think .95 inches, and the gun is also sort of "tall" feeling. It is almost identical in every aspect of size to a Ruger LC9, so for those of you who've handled one of those but not a shield, there's a size comparison. I expect it to have some slight muzzle flip when shooting, but that will be easily countered, or at least helped, with the extended mag for better control. Concealability is great with the standard magazine, but is definitely not a problem with the longer magazine either, as it only adds 1/2" to 3/4" to the height of the gun, just enough for your little finger.

Takedown of the gun is easy and comes down into the expected pieces - slide, barrel, recoil spring, and frame. Field stripping involves simply locking back the slide, pushing down the small sear disengagement (I think it is) lever inside the mag well, rotating the takedown lever down 90 degrees, and then sliding the slide forward and off. Reassembly is exactly the reverse of takedown, obviously, and to re-engage the sear lever simply put a magazine in the gun and check everything for proper function.

Sights are good, just what can be expected from the M&P line - white dot sights that are fully drift adjustable, and the rear sight has a set screw to prevent movement. The rear sights have a nice square opening that when pulling the gun up just seems to naturally be filled with the front sight centered up very easily. My gun has a visual loaded chamber indicator, but there are some with a tactile loaded chamber indicator. My gun also does not have a magazine disconnect, but there are some models which do. I'm not sure about which ones have the tactile indicator and the mag disconnect, I think those are the MA and CA compliant ones.

Now the part that most guys have a beef with - the safety. The shield has a 6.5 pound trigger pull (and from what I can tell it's a nice trigger, I'll know more after I shoot) which is right in line with the small guns with no safety. I see no problems in leaving the safety off to carry the gun because the safety actuates nicely, but it is a stiff actuation. It is also tucked flat against the gun as are the other two levers on the left side, and cannot be easily, if at all, caught on clothing or a holster and unintentionally actuated. It also should not be a problem for the safety to stay off while being carried. Even with wear I don't see this being a problem, but only time will tell. The S&W manual with it, though for legal reasons cannot tell you that you can carry it with the safety off, basically tells the shooter that it is up to him or her to determine the level of safety they are comfortable with, and tiptoes all around saying that you can just leave it off if you wish.

If you've ever seen and handled a full size or compact M&P, then you've basically seen a Shield, but definitely not handled one. Dad has a M&P compact .45, and the guns are nearly identical in features and share a definite familial resemblance. Proportions are somewhat different though, and the grips on the Shield are not interchangeable as are the ones on the regular M&Ps. This is of no consequence, at least to me, however because the Shield's grips are comfortable and fit the hand well.

There you go: a sort of quick review of the Shield's features from a guy new to them. I'll know way more after I shoot it and post up results and a review of how it shoots, any feed failures, what type ammo, grouping at the standard 7-10 yards, etc... That is if you all aren't bored to death by this one. This is looking like it will make a very nice CCW.

 

[ConeKilrAutoX]

Just messing with my phone camera taking a few pics of my S&W and 995
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[HARDTRAILZ]

 

[tblazerdude]

Just to update everyone I bought the G19 last week. I like it.
New question...
DPMS Sportical Semi Auto Rifle 5.56 NATO/.223 16" Light Barrel, 30 Round, Optic Ready RFLP-WCP

Is this a suitable "fun" AR just to take to the range? I realize the price is much lower than what I would expect to pay for a .223 rifle. I also don't want it to break in a year or blow up on me or jam every 3 rounds.

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[xtitan1]

Just to update everyone I bought the G19 last week. I like it.
New question...
DPMS Sportical Semi Auto Rifle 5.56 NATO/.223 16" Light Barrel, 30 Round, Optic Ready RFLP-WCP

Is this a suitable "fun" AR just to take to the range? I realize the price is much lower than what I would expect to pay for a .223 rifle. I also don't want it to break in a year or blow up on me or jam every 3 rounds.

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Nice!

If u want a fun ar for the range, get an m&p 15-22 !!

 

[tblazerdude]

So what you're saying is I need to buy a 7.62 AR. I'm all over that. I knew .223 is just a more expensive/same fun as .22

Also- I'd love to own that m&p or a semi auto style m4a1 .22

 

[STLtrailbSS]

I shoot a DPMS oracle it has been dragged through the woods mud rain and snow I had one failure to eject. Other than that the gun has ran great. Keep it clean and learn everything about the parts and you can take care of it much more efficiently.

 

[Envoy_04]

Keep it clean and learn everything about the parts and you can take care of it much more efficiently.

This is true with any gun - about half the reason people complain about their guns not functioning properly is improper maintenance or none at all. Just like cars, if you want them to work right and be reliable, you have to take care of them properly.

 

[xtitan1]

Belated Christmas present from the GF:

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Going to be for a vehicle med kit (still waiting on some other items though):

• Olaes 4"
• Olaes 6"
• HALO Seal (2/pk)
• 2x SOFTT-W
• Blast Bandage
• 3x Z-PAK Dressing
• Durapore Tape 1"
• Durapore Tape 2"
• EMT Shears 7.25"
• Water Jel, 19" x 11"
• 2x Water Jel Burn Dressing, 4x4
• QuickClot Combat Gauze, Z-Fold

 

[djthumper]

Wodering where the fire arms are....

 

[mike_k]

Bought another glock.....I think I may have a addiction

 

[Short Bus]

Bought another glock.....I think I may have a addiction

Nice

I bought my wife a Glock 26 and a FDE 27 for myself.

 

[dmanns67]

You guys seen the new ammo manufactured by G2 Research called the R.I.P. "The last round you will ever need." Currently produced for 9mm, but they are coming out with .380 ACP, .357 SIG, .40 Cal, .45 ACP, and shotgun slugs. Release date of the 9mm round said to be 17 January 2014. I have yet to see any prices though. www.g2rammo.com

The New Ammunition That Has Gun Owners Drooling | Conservative Infidel Conservative Infidel

[video=youtube;mJGH7cDFw7c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJGH7cDFw7c[/video]

 

[redleg6]

yeah I looked at the site and its videos last night, scary stuff

 

[Envoy_04]

Scary indeed. I wouldn't want to be shot by ANY round - but that one most of all I do believe. I'd like to see the math on how likely you are to survive being shot with that 9mm versus say a hollow point 9mm. Judging from the video, those statistics would be very scary...

 

[Playsinsnow]

Really? There are so many external variables that play in to this. Grab a hog carcass and shoot it up. Me, I don't have as much natural "insulation as others so I don't know if that helps or hurts.





Most shooters I know will tell you it's not as much the round but the shot that matters.

If you think there is a possibility that you may need to use ammo for protection, hallow points will help as long as you aim straight and shoot steady

 

[Envoy_04]

Most shooters I know will tell you it's not as much the round but the shot that matters.

This is very true. You can get just as dead from a .22 that has been placed correctly as you can from any other round.


What I'm saying is - imagine that R.I.P. round hitting you at some point in your torso. It's going to fragment like it's designed to do and the pieces are going to shred everything in a 360 degree swing around where it entered. Highly likely to kill you because one of the fragments is highly likely to perforate something like your lungs or heart or any other number of important organs.

While a standard round, hollow point or otherwise, is definitely going to cause its share of damage to whatever's behind where it enters - the likelihood of something critical being hit is higher with the way the R.I.P. round hits and fragments. The statistics on this are what I'd like to see - the visual proof is amazing, but I like numbers too.


I'm in no way knocking the effectiveness of a good personal defense hollow point round, by the way - that's what I use. Even the new round comes out, it's probably still going to be what I can afford.

 

[xtitan1]

There was just an article about federal HST in the NRA magazine. That's the one that passes the FBI penetration test.

I saw a 45 minute presentation on YouTube by an anesthesiologist who had done a lot of gunshot wound surgeries. I think it was a hospital in the DC area. Anyway he said that with a pistol round, 45 or 9mm doesn't matter that much, it's more about getting lucky and nicking a vital organ or artery which will eventually kill the person. To incapacitate is extremely difficult because the round and the target are both small.

He said that a rifle round is a totally different story because they tend to cause this huge cavity from the concussion that just shatters everything inside and therefore has a much more devastating effect.

Lastly, penetration is still a controversial issue. Some guys are worried about over penetration (like living in an apartment and missing and hitting someone on the other side of some drywall) and some guys want to be able to shoot someone who takes cover behind something through that cover. Those guys try to counter the over penetration problem by knowing where the backstops are in their place and rearranging furniture if necessary.

And I think being really fat actually does have the potential to save your life if you are shot one time in the right place, but then again you will probably never be in that scenario and then die of heart disease.

 

[Playsinsnow]

Someone post a mythbusters shooting a pig carcass? The had a few of them. Will try to later.

 

[Short Bus]

If you guys like the R.I.P. you'll love the Lehigh Defense Maximum Expansion for the Judge/Governor. They are pricey though @ about $40 for 12 after shipping

[video=youtube;7bLonprIWm4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bLonprIWm4[/video]

 

[Fire06]

That is unreal. Sure as hell would not want to be hit by that.

 

[IllogicTC]

There's a story currently happening around here involving firearms. Some turd was cleaning his handgun and it discharged, went through the wall of his house into his neighbor's house, and hit a teenage girl in the head. She is alive and in critical condition as reported on the article.

My roomie posted a link to the story on FB, and someone responded something along the lines of "wow" because he did this while cleaning. Some person chimes in "A bullet was stuck in the barrel and fired when the clip was put back in. Don't judge until you know the details! Thanks" - Exact quote. Then again, the actual story says he was just "getting ready to clean it," putting the mag back in is not part of disassembly that I know of.

And this is why gun-control advocates have hard-ons for gun control. Because morons are "cleaning" their gun (really? without disassembling?) and don't do a full chamber and barrel check prior to proceeding any further. And then we got this person like "OH IT WAS AN ACCIDENT!" Yes, a completely preventable one. If it was stuck, don't friggin' touch a thing. Call a gunsmith, ASAP. If it was just loaded, the guy's a tool, either way. I've never owned or fired a gun and I know some common sense for firearms.

Link to the story from WTAP here.

 

[Short Bus]

There's a story currently happening around here involving firearms. Some turd was cleaning his handgun and it discharged, went through the wall of his house into his neighbor's house, and hit a teenage girl in the head. She is alive and in critical condition as reported on the article.

My roomie posted a link to the story on FB, and someone responded something along the lines of "wow" because he did this while cleaning. Some person chimes in "A bullet was stuck in the barrel and fired when the clip was put back in. Don't judge until you know the details! Thanks" - Exact quote. Then again, the actual story says he was just "getting ready to clean it," putting the mag back in is not part of disassembly that I know of.

And this is why gun-control advocates have hard-ons for gun control. Because morons are "cleaning" their gun (really? without disassembling?) and don't do a full chamber and barrel check prior to proceeding any further. And then we got this person like "OH IT WAS AN ACCIDENT!" Yes, a completely preventable one. If it was stuck, don't friggin' touch a thing. Call a gunsmith, ASAP. If it was just loaded, the guy's a tool, either way. I've never owned or fired a gun and I know some common sense for firearms.

Link to the story from WTAP here.

That's a sad story and the gun owner should be charged for his negligence with a firearm. Having loaded guns is not negligent, they are just clubs if they are unloaded when you need them, but the need to be treated with the respect they deserve. The first step to cleaning is to clear the weapon and double check it. I'm sure it was accident, but some accidents are criminal.

 

[IllogicTC]

That's a sad story and the gun owner should be charged for his negligence with a firearm. Having loaded guns is not negligent, they are just clubs if they are unloaded when you need them, but the need to be treated with the respect they deserve. The first step to cleaning is to clear the weapon and double check it. I'm sure it was accident, but some accidents are criminal.

I believe this one may be criminal. You know how small-town stories go, we hear 30 versions, but the website says getting ready to clean, and a local yokel said a bullet was "stuck in the barrel" (their words) and fired when the magazine was reinserted. Depending on the exact model of weapon (which is as of yet unspecified besides caliber), the safety mechanism can disable the firing mechanism from moving, and some designs of drop safeties also provide an obstruction to the firing pin or mechanism unless certain conditions are met. Some also have those "loaded-when-up" indicators right behind the ejector port as an extra notice of current gun status, if it was a semi-auto. If the girl dies, I'm smelling involuntary manslaughter. If she lives, it's up to the jury to hear the evidence. It'd be a great help to at least know what model the weapon was.

I myself am a proponent of the "mixed-bag." While we all know the common safety preachers say to completely unload the gun, I feel there is a need to at least have either a round or a few in the magazine, or a magazine stored in very easy reach from the weapon that the weapon could be armed quickly in certain scenarios, but never to leave one chambered. It literally takes one pull to bring the weapon to a ready state, and people who use "high-stress situations" as an excuse to leave one chambered haven't thought about the other things in a high-stress situation - opening the safe, and actually being able to hit the target. Killing a common crook just trying to jack a television could still put a person behind bars if their life wasn't at risk, and with a firearm location is key between killing and disabling shots.

I heartily agree that double-checking is very necessary on firearms. I tend to double-check my work a lot when I can, and if I were ever handling a firearm I would MAKE time to double-check. I mean look at this situation, the guy's just in his house getting ready to perform some standard maintenance like a good firearm owner would, and it's turned into a real mess, and since the bullet went out of his house (trailer actually, I know where Cloverdale is) and into another trailer, there's really no way to know he was incidentally putting others at risk if he was home alone.