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Discussion in 'Vortec 4.2L I-6' started by Mike7468, Dec 9, 2016.

  1. Mike7468

    Mike7468 Member

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    Okay since mid october I have been battling a P0014, at the time it had a P0017, and a P0128, those two have gone away. I have replaced the VVT 2x with a dorman and still got the code, so I broke down and got an ACDelco from the dealership, two weeks ago and replaced it. I have changed the oil twice since October. I have also replaced the thermostat which was stuck open, camshaft sensor last week, replaced the crankshaft position sensor and took it to a shop to do the CASE relearn ( which he didn't charge me for)?
    The mileage on the truck is about 127,000.
    I put off an oil change which really gummed up the original VVT. Right now there is STP 5w30 and stp filter.
    Added Seafoam to crankcase and waiting for about a hundred miles or so to rechnage the oil. Then after that I guess its a dealer or shop unless I can get it figured out. Thanks, in advance.
     
  2. HARDTRAILZ

    HARDTRAILZ Moderator

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    You have cleared the code and it is coming back?
     
  3. Mike7468

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    I've had the battery disconnected each time I've replaced it. Have also had them clear it at AZ. While the engine is warm it will not come back on. After it sits overnight, or about three restarts cold it will come back on.
    Truck runs good by the way, doesn't seem to be misfiring.
     
  4. djthumper

    djthumper Administrator

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    If I get that code before an oil change I add engine flush to the oil to help clean things up.
     
  5. Mike7468

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    I added some seafoam to the crankcase should that work? Or is there something else I should also use?
     
  6. djthumper

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    It should but the engine flush is normally in there just before the change. How long until your next oil change?
     
  7. Mike7468

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    Ways off from the next scheduled but I will be doing it within the next 200 miles, just for the fact that I put the sea foam in.
     
  8. Sparky

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    I wonder if it is the phaser itself.
     
  9. Mike7468

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    That's not the answer I want to hear. Hoping its not! I've tackled the wheel hubs, alt, thermostat, tie rods, ball joints, don't know if I have the patience, or skill to deal with that.
     
  10. Sparky

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    I know. I'm just thinking of the various possible causes
     
  11. Mike7468

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    It's only been about 40 miles since I put the seafoam in, tomorrow I have to drive 40 plus miles one way on the highway so hopefully it starts breaking anything in there loose for the next oil change. Then I may try castrol 5w and an AcDelco filter.
     
  12. Mooseman

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    If that shop you went to was using a Tech 2, they can test the cam phaser for proper operation.

    When I had a failed phaser twice, I got a P1345 that just wouldn't go away until I replaced it.
     
  13. 07TrailyLS

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    @djthumper does that engine cleaner actually work?
     
  14. djthumper

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    It will get the crap out of there and help clean the carbon build up.
     
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  15. Mike7468

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    If it was the phaser wouldn't it be running like crap? It wont be going to the shop till the week after xmas, is why I'm asking.
     
  16. Mooseman

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    It didn't for me. Ran fine. It may depend how or when it fails and how advanced/retarded the cam is. I wouldn't have bothered with it except that I had to replace it to pass emissions.
     
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  17. Mike7468

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    Same here with the testing. Any idea on what the labor cost at a shop may be? I have to have something done to it by the 31st?
     
  18. Mooseman

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    It's actually not too bad of a job to replace the phaser if you have the timing chain holding tools. I'd say about 4 to 6 hours.
     
  19. Mike7468

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    What scares me to try to do it myself is the whole tdc, afraid I will screw that up and ending up screwing something else up and screwing the whole motor cause of it. Maybe I will grab a chiltons and do a little reading.
     
  20. MRRSM

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    @Mike7468 These two videos will be helpful for the limited actions you will need to do to change the VVT Cam Phaser. But you might want to review @Mooseman ’s Epic Post on doing this job as a MUST READ FIRST to get your initial bearings and mind around the preparation needed to do the job:

    http://gmtnation.com/forums/threads...am-phaser-aka-vvt-actuator.14924/#post-485198

    This First GM Service Tech Video gives a Bird's Eye View of what this VVT Apparatus does and looks like when it is "undressed":



    This Second GM Service Tech Video relates to the setting up of the VVT Cam Phaser in Relation to the Marks on the Timing Chain and the requisite positions of the Two Upper Sprockets to the Lower Crankshaft Sprocket over the Chain Guides and the Timing Chain Tensioner. Only Pray to God that you Do Not have to do any of this though as it requires removing not only the Timing Chain Cover...but the Crankcase Oil Pan as Well. By being careful with keeping Tension on the Timing Chain at All Times during this repair...you will be able to avoid the problem. The TTY Procedures MUST be followed when installing the Camshaft Phaser Retention Bolt:



    There are some good views in these videos that you can Download and then Stop, SLO-MO and Screen Print about how much of this work can be done… and since you are not having to Remove and Replace the Engine Head or the Timing Chain Tensioner… your job will be so much easier as long as you are vigilant about NOT DROPPING THE TIMING CHAIN OFF OF THE CRANKSHAFT COG. Watch both videos completely so you can see how serious problems can be avoided ...such as NOT RE-USING ANY TTY FASTENERS.

    The Most Critical Issue of ALL: NOT ALLOWING THE RATCHETING TIMING CHAIN TENSIONER TO FULLY EXTEND AND LOCK IN PLACE ONCE THE CHAIN TENSION IS RELIEVED. Please remember that BOTH side of the Ascending and Descending Chain Segments MUST be under the control of either the Timing Chain Tensioner Tools on BOTH sides... or by means of using Safety Wire (Mechanics' Wire) to hold the same kind of equal and even restraint on BOTH sides of the chain. If you are thoughtful and cautious when planning your moves and introducing these tools and methods... you will succeed.

    Part One.:


    Part Two:


    You can find all of the necessary Engine Parts, TTY Fastener Part Numbers and Tool Images here on my Photobucket…

    http://s557.photobucket.com/user/60...NEREPAIR/TRAILBLAZERENGINEPARTS?sort=2&page=1

    ...and on Pages 1-17...but look towards the last pages from 12-17 for the most of the images and information:

    http://s557.photobucket.com/user/60...NEREPAIR/TRAILBLAZEREPAIRTOOLS?sort=3&page=16

    The Five Tools for this R&R Job that can make your life a bit easier look like this:

    Innovation’s 14” TDC Tool:

    https://www.amazon.com/Innovative-Products-America-7886-Indicator/dp/B000FMSU9Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1481797915&sr=8-1&keywords=TDC+TOOL+14"

    GM Dual Camshaft Holding Tool:
    https://www.amazon.com/GM-4-2L-Cams...sr=8-1&keywords=gm+4.2l+camshaft+holding+tool

    A PAIR of High Quality Large Crescent Wrenches:
    There are Two Hexagonal sections on the Camshafts where these tools must be positioned and held in place using Safety or Mechanic’s Wire and then fixed in place with Safety Wire around the Wheel Fenders and maintain control of them while either removing or installing the Camshaft Phaser.

    Timing Chain Holding Tools:
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/KENT-MOORE-...:g:JmsAAOSwImRYMN8d&item=112232319601&vxp=mtr

    An Alternative Method is to Use Mechanic’s Wire to Secure the Timing Chain: https://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&page=1&rh=i:aps,k:mechanics wire

    If you are very careful to set things up before you remove the Exhaust Sprocket… You can use strong Mechanic’s Wire to weave into the Timing Chain and keep enough Tension NOT to have any slack in the chain cause it to fall off of the Lower Sprocket on the Crankshaft. If that occurs... This Job Becomes a Great Deal More Difficult. THIS Video is a Perfect Testimonial as to just How Bad This Job Can Get!

     

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  21. djthumper

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    Keep this on topic, anything can lead up to bigger issues if not fixed early enough.
     
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  22. gmcman

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    OP, what was your oil change interval and what oil did you use? Did you change your own oil or have a shop perform the service?
     
  23. Mike7468

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    I him hawed on the oil change which most likely caused the original vvt to go bad. 5w30 Mostly done myself
     
  24. MRRSM

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    Following on with @djthumper 's suggestion to keep this OT... This link involves a very cool and detailed breakdown of the GM Dealership Tech-2 Diagnosis Procedures that we seldom if ever get to see and which are still quite useful in explaining just how involved chasing down that Damned P0014 problem can really get. (If you select and copy all of the inner Shop Manual Text and Column Boxes that fail to appear on screen at this link...and paste it in a Word Processor like LibreOffice... they will fully expand on screen) :

    http://www.justanswer.com/chevy/5xk1x-chevrolet-trailblazer-lt-poo14-camtimeing-advance.html

    EDIT:

    I figured out that the reason the 23 Tech II Cam Phaser Diagnostic Steps would no resolve on screen was because of embedded HTML and TAB artifacts that were preventing them from being seen. I've stripped these 7 Plates down to their "image essence" and captured them here as SEVEN JPEGs and posted them on my Photobucket (also attempted as attachments here) that will serve the purpose. These 1-23 Steps are ordinarily meant to be used by either GM Techs or by anyone lucky enough to own a Tech II or similar Scanner. Nonetheless... in 4 out of the 23 Steps... a common Multi-Meter can be used to measure the Resistance variance in some of the related components working in the Cam Phaser Circuit. If nothing else... its lays bare all of the things that can go sideways with the Damned Thing:

    http://s557.photobucket.com/user/60...GINEREPAIR/CAMPHASERDIAGNOSTICS?sort=4&page=1
     

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