Tire Comparison

TheGambler

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Sep 12, 2012
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I have an 03 GMC Envoy it came with stock Michelin cross terrain now I need new some tires I have narrowed it down and wanted your guys oppinion. I live in NW Pa So I get up wards of 4' of snow in one winter

Hankook DynaPro ATM RF10
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Cooper Discoverer A/T3
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This one really interests me

Falken Rocky Mountain ATS
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Nitto Terra Grappler AT
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right now I have studded Wintercat STT on my car for the winter but I realize that in NW pa We get snow and I know that some "All Season" are not the same so I try to go for the more aggressive because of the snow and the mud that I will be facing in the spring (back dirt roads) I look forward to your responce
 

Ed H

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Oct 18, 2012
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I have no experience with those tires, but I have heard absolutely excellent reviews for the Bridgestone Dueler and the Michelin LTX M/S. They seem to lead the pack for our platform, unless you can install dedicated snow/ice tires on different rims for winter.. I am going Michelin as soon as I can afford it (aka - after the holidays). :wink:
 

gmcman

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Dec 12, 2011
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Started with the Cross Terrains and I liked them but they weren't great in the snow and for towing I feel the sidewalls are not beefy enough.

The Latitude Tour was great, very quiet but in the rain the hydroplaning resistance could have been better.

I currently have the Continental Cross Contact LX-20, not to be confused with the standard Cross Contact. I like them the most and will probably replace these with another set when the time comes. Wet weather traction is phenomenal, towing I like them alot...very stable. Overall a quiet tire and neither of the before mentioned Michelins can match it in terms of overall handling.
 

Short Bus

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Dec 2, 2011
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Here's a lower cost option that I've heard good things about. These are sizes that will be good without a lift or other mods.

for 16"

[EBAY]160753046988[/EBAY] [EBAY]150701343704[/EBAY]

[EBAY]150955375965[/EBAY]

for 17"

[EBAY]360491571996[/EBAY] [EBAY]150701343787[/EBAY]
 

BaDAppLe

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Jun 28, 2012
51
I run the Hankook Dynapro atm on my TB. I only had then on about 6000 miles so far , but they are real good in the mud as they tend to be self cleaning. I can say they are very smooth,and quiet for some what of a aggressive tire. They are loaded with sipes so should be pretty good in the snow and ice. FWIW I live near Buffalo NY, and we get around 120 inches of snow a year!
 

blazinlow89

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Jan 25, 2012
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Have you considered the General Grabber AT2 tires. I looked at the Hankook's, the Cooper and the Nitto options, the General's had better reviews overall and the best for snow from my research. I have put about 1000 miles on them and I love them. They do have a bit more road noise than my last tires (Fuzion XTi) they grip better than any tire I have used and they do not feel bad at all while driving. I have found my happy pressure to be about 60 PSI and I like the way they feel. Shipped and with installation I paid about $740 for all 4. If you have a local walmart you can ship to store and have installed for the same or a bit less. I went with the 245/75-16, gave the truck an aggressive stance and about 3/4-1" of lift over stock. Keep in mind these have a load rating of -E, which is alot more than stock and the face are 6 ply and the sidewalls are 2, they are very stiff.
 
Dec 4, 2011
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Tires are such a personal choice item but I will throw my :twocents: in. I have always had good luck with Coopers so when it comes time to switch out the Cross Terrains I will go with the Discoverer CTS's. My son-in-law has the AT3's and really like them. I prefer a little smoother ride but driving his pathfinder I don't find the AT3's objectionable. My only complaint is that Cooper has the original replacement size for my Denali but when I bought the Denali the tires had be changed out 275/55-18's and I really like the larger tread width. The closest Cooper is a 255/55-18 which is almost an 1" narrower. :sadcry:

I find with Cooper you get excellent tires at very reasonable price. There are no "have to live with traits" with these tires and most of the reviews I have read are very positive. :thumbsup:
 

rcam81

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Dec 3, 2011
209
Onsted, MI
I have had a set of CTS's for 2 years. I drive 30 miles one way to work on non-highway Michigan roads. These tires are doing great. I also have a set of CS4's on my Grand Prix and love the way that they perform.
 

ScarabEpic22

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Nov 20, 2011
728
I cant comment on those personally, but Ive heard good things on the Hankook Dynapros, Cooper AT3s, and the Nitto Terra Grappler ATs.

Ive had Bridgestone Dueler A/T Revos on my 02 and they were absolutely great until they got about 35k on then, then the snow traction went out the window. I liked them so much that I bought a set of Revo 2s and put them on some 17s for winter wheels for my SS.

Currently I have Kumho Road Venture APT KL61s on my 02, I havent driven them in snow personally but my brother says they do better than the Revo 2s. He has in Bozeman, MT all winter so he gets a bunch of snow. They are pretty good wet and dry as well, plus quiet on the highway. I paid $125+ship a tire for 265/70R16 so Im pretty happy with them overall. :twocents:
 

TheGambler

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Sep 12, 2012
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blazinlow89 said:
Have you considered the General Grabber AT2 tires. I looked at the Hankook's, the Cooper and the Nitto options, the General's had better reviews overall and the best for snow from my research. I have put about 1000 miles on them and I love them. They do have a bit more road noise than my last tires (Fuzion XTi) they grip better than any tire I have used and they do not feel bad at all while driving. I have found my happy pressure to be about 60 PSI and I like the way they feel. Shipped and with installation I paid about $740 for all 4. If you have a local walmart you can ship to store and have installed for the same or a bit less. I went with the 245/75-16, gave the truck an aggressive stance and about 3/4-1" of lift over stock. Keep in mind these have a load rating of -E, which is alot more than stock and the face are 6 ply and the sidewalls are 2, they are very stiff.

Well With my shitty Luck they don't make them in my Stock 245/65R17 size and I really can't change sizes because my Envoy is stock so I can't go bigger. I wish I could get them. I Might look into some Kumho Road Venture AT though I got like 5 months to save up some money for them so I got time.

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blazinlow89 said:
Have you considered the General Grabber AT2 tires. I looked at the Hankook's, the Cooper and the Nitto options, the General's had better reviews overall and the best for snow from my research. I have put about 1000 miles on them and I love them. They do have a bit more road noise than my last tires (Fuzion XTi) they grip better than any tire I have used and they do not feel bad at all while driving. I have found my happy pressure to be about 60 PSI and I like the way they feel. Shipped and with installation I paid about $740 for all 4. If you have a local walmart you can ship to store and have installed for the same or a bit less. I went with the 245/75-16, gave the truck an aggressive stance and about 3/4-1" of lift over stock. Keep in mind these have a load rating of -E, which is alot more than stock and the face are 6 ply and the sidewalls are 2, they are very stiff.

Well With my shitty Luck they don't make them in my Stock 245/65R17 size and I really can't change sizes because my Envoy is stock so I can't go bigger. I wish I could get them. I Might look into some Kumho Road Venture AT though I got like 5 months to save up some money for them so I got time.
 

blazinlow89

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Jan 25, 2012
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TheGambler said:
Well With my shitty Luck they don't make them in my Stock 245/65R17 size and I really can't change sizes because my Envoy is stock so I can't go bigger. I wish I could get them. I Might look into some Kumho Road Venture AT though I got like 5 months to save up some money for them so I got time.

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Well With my shitty Luck they don't make them in my Stock 245/65R17 size and I really can't change sizes because my Envoy is stock so I can't go bigger. I wish I could get them. I Might look into some Kumho Road Venture AT though I got like 5 months to save up some money for them so I got time.

You can run 30.5" stock. I had to up size as they did not make a 245/70-16, instead I went with the 245/75-16. Filled the wheel wells out nicely and bumped the height of the truck up about an inch (guesstimate). Never did measure stock height.

They do make a 245/70-17

Grabber AT2

I did notice the road noise went down quite a bit after driving on them for a little while. However my fiance equates my truck to a john deere tractor :rotfl:. She says the ride feels alot smoother since I bumped the pressure up and driven on them for a little while.
 

moneypit

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Dec 7, 2011
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I ended up getting Firestone Destination A/T 265/65/17 and "extra wheels stock off CL" which worked great for winter. no mods-all stock, got 'em on a buy 3 get 1 free deal.
 

Short Bus

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Dec 2, 2011
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TheGambler said:
With my shitty Luck they don't make them in my Stock 245/65R17 size and I really can't change sizes because my Envoy is stock so I can't go bigger. I wish I could get them. I Might look into some Kumho Road Venture AT though I got like 5 months to save up some money for them so I got time.

Who told you that? Just because Walmart (and other chains) won't do it doesn't mean you can't
 

Steveinfl

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Dec 6, 2011
62
I recently bought a set of four Michelin ltx ms2's for $780 installed with lifetime rotation and balance. Cosco does a nice job. The only issue I had is they will not deviate from the factory specified size. Quite happy with them and the service techs looked more competent than most.
 

ElAviator72

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Jan 11, 2012
118
gmcman said:
Started with the Cross Terrains and I liked them but they weren't great in the snow and for towing I feel the sidewalls are not beefy enough.
QUOTE]

The cross-terrains were terrible. I kept up on the inflation pressure, and we didn't even get 40,000 miles out of them before they were worn down to the wear bars :frown: Our tire shop also warned us that they were severely weather checked, but I kept them until we absolutely had to replace them. They also had a tendency to hydroplane, not good in Oregon!
 

ElAviator72

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Jan 11, 2012
118
BTW, the last time we bought tires, we bought the Goodyear Fortera HL. It wasn't even on my shopping list, but we got such a good deal with them, we couldn't pass them up :thumbsup: Very quiet tire, and much better traction in the rain than the stock Michelin Cross-Terrains. I wanted a set of Cooper Discoverer AT/3's...
 

TheGambler

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Sep 12, 2012
39
Short Bus said:
Who told you that? Just because Walmart (and other chains) won't do it doesn't mean you can't

Tiredirect.com said when I put in the vehicle and also someone on trailvoy said they went bigger and rubbed. I don't go to walmart for tires. I mounted my tires myself and if our balancer worked I would balance them myself to. Fuck paying someone to do something I can do. thought I had to get mine balanced by someone but our balance is broke.
 

Short Bus

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Dec 2, 2011
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TheGambler said:
Tiredirect.com said when I put in the vehicle and also someone on trailvoy said they went bigger and rubbed. I don't go to walmart for tires. I mounted my tires myself and if our balancer worked I would balance them myself to. Fuck paying someone to do something I can do. thought I had to get mine balanced by someone but our balance is broke.

You can go up to about 30.5" before you hit the upper ball joint. 265/65/17 is about the max, but might rub with an aggressive tread. Even then you can grind the ball joint a little and be good to go.
 

blazinlow89

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Jan 25, 2012
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Short Bus said:
You can go up to about 30.5" before you hit the upper ball joint. 265/65/17 is about the max, but might rub with an aggressive tread. Even then you can grind the ball joint a little and be good to go.

The generals (245/75-16) clear fine, about 3/4 of an inch between the tread and the ball joint. Tire for the 17 should be equal size (245/70-17).

I use Walmart for the mount and balance only because they are the cheapest (by about $50) and they are the only place that does not complain when I stand in the bay and watch. Mr. Tire did not care last time but they wanted $24.99+ tax to mount, balance and put in a new valve stem, it is an extra $3 per tire to dispose of them. Walmart was $67 for everything out the door, took about 45 minutes and I told the guy I wanted to put one of the mounted tires on the front to make sure it cleared. No issues.
 

Pittdawg

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Dec 5, 2011
538
Short Bus said:
You can go up to about 30.5" before you hit the upper ball joint. 265/65/17 is about the max, but might rub with an aggressive tread. Even then you can grind the ball joint a little and be good to go.

I wouldn't grind a structural suspension component like a ball joint at all.
 

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