After market power steering parts.

[coolride]

I thought I ordered an OEM high pressure power steering hose. When it was delivered I realized that it's after market. The OEM part is almost $200 more.

Anyone have experience with these after market hoses? If it's junk, I'll send it right back.

 

[coolride]

There's a big price difference between GM OEM parts and the ACDelco Pro line.

-ACDelco Pro 36-365451 is the high pressure line. $89.42 listed on amazon.

-GM OE 2609537 is the high pressure line. $265 on amazon.

Country of origin is USA on the ACDelco part. I'm returning the Chinese part today.

Any thoughts about the quality of ACDelco Pro as compared to the GM OE?

 

[cornchip]

Thoughts. All three are going to rot out despite the flag they were built under. I used what I was given across the parts counter....Asian. Not wanting to do this repair anytime soon, I sprayed the tube portions of the lines with Chassis Saver that I has laying around from a project. So far I have no rust after 6 years or so.

 

[coolride]

Well the originals lasted 15 years in a road salt State. It's quality of materials and workmanship that I'm concerned about.

I am considering painting the new lines.

 

[cornchip]

Well the original lasted 15 years in a road salt State. It's quality of materials and workmanship that I'm concerned about.

My lines only lasted 8 years in a road salt province.

 

[coolride]

My lines only lasted 8 years in a road salt province.

Were they OEM or aftermarket?

 

[cornchip]

Were they OEM or aftermarket?

Those were the original factory lines. About the only thing you could do better is make the tube portion from stainless steel. Above even that, I thought about machining an adapter at the rack to convert to 'AN' style fittings and get a custom hose set made at a hydraulic shop. I would use a Parker push lock hose for the return routed to an aluminum cooler upfront.

FYI.... I did a similar setup with my 4200 swap in a Jeep YJ. These will last a lifetime.

 

[Mektek]

I would suggest paining the steel tubes with rustoleum paint. That should give you a few extra years of life.
All of your options regardless of price are probably made in china.

 

[coolride]

And you could just grease them up. They are mostly accessible for that purpose just by popping the hood.

Many things are still made all over the world. Not just China.

 

[Mooseman]

The realities of a world economy however I've seen stuff made in the USA or Canada that was pure junk worse than China. However, you have to wonder when you see THIS:

 

[cornchip]

The realities of a world economy however I've seen stuff made in the USA or Canada that was pure junk worse than China. However, you have to wonder when you see THIS:

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Pure junk right there. What kind of proud craftsman can't even get the spelling right of their own country? It's likely a knockoff of a knockoff.

 

[coolride]

Bracket sanded, rust treated, and painted.


Rubber gasket cleaned up and in nice shape.

 

[coolride]

The new hoses are delivered.


This is the ACDelco Pro line.


I also ordered ACDelco Pro for this part, but they shipped the Genuine GM part. That's probably all they have right now.

 

[coolride]

Currently impossible to find. Part #19148997

 

[coolride]

Making slow progress. The return line was removed from the cooler and I cut the pressure line and let it drain. As usual, I'm cleaning up rust where I can, then Ospho and paint..

 

[coolride]

Removed the front hose bracket and began a big clean up project on the frame. Needle scaler, and sanding, then a spray down with brake cleaner. Will hit it with a wire wheel before brushing on a coat of Ospho.

 

[coolride]

After a wire wheel, acetone wipe down, and then a coat of Ospho.

 

[coolride]

Am I right, that the TB is a mix of metric and SAE?

My best guess here is, the high pressure line connects to the power steering pump with a 5/8's inch nut. (Because none of my metric stuff fits.)


Just home from Harbor Freight with some SAE wrenches.

 

[cornchip]

Am I right, that the TB is a mix of metric and SAE?

My best guess here is, the high pressure line connects to the power steering pump with a 5/8's inch nut. (Because none of my metric stuff fits.)
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Just home from Harbor Freight with some SAE wrenches.
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Pump is metric and used to be 16mm before the rust. Unless I'm mistaken.....everything else you will encounter will be metric as well. Use what ever fits best.

 

[Mooseman]

Am I right, that the TB is a mix of metric and SAE?

The majority are metric however there are some that are SAE like the diff internals and U-Joint strap bolts (no, they're not 11mm, they're 7/16). Some sizes are similar between each other. I often use my 7/8 and 15/16 wrenches for A/C connections. And like @cornchip said, rust can also change the size.

 

[coolride]

This is sooo 5/8's. There's surface rust, but nothing to write home about. (Was holding by only about 2 threads.)

 

[coolride]

Correction:

I found a 16mm socket and it fits the nut perfectly. I needed SAE wrenches, so I used this situation as an excuse to buy a few. Maybe I need therapy...

 

[coolride]

Frame primed and with one coat of black.


Have reached a "what next" phase of this project. I'll remove the line brackets, on the driver's side frame. The bolts are not easy to get a hold of.

 

[coolride]

Luckily, the bolts came out (Required a 6 point 10mm. The 12 point spun freely.) These brackets are obviously toast... Anyone have a spare set for sale?

 

[Mooseman]

Not here. They rust away to dust. Doubt they're still available new. Maybe try doing something with zip ties.

 

[coolride]

Side tracked:

For a long time, I've wanted to take this thing off. And now I have (bucket list stuff.) It was much grubbier at first. Lots of clean-up before this pic was taken.

 

[Reprise]

Seeing what @coolride has done with those parts, gives me hope for my Envoy, which looks much like his did before he started (and the rear end of the truck is worse, even).

The majority are metric however there are some that are SAE like the diff internals and U-Joint strap bolts (no, they're not 11mm, they're 7/16). Some sizes are similar between each other.

Funny you mention the strap bolts -- I've always used the 11mm, and recently tried the 7/16, b/c I misplaced my 11mm 3/8" thinwall. The SAE might be the 'right' size, but I thought the 11mm fit better, TBH.

For those wanting a cross-reference... I found this a few years ago, and keep a copy near the toolboxes, where I can see it

 

[Mooseman]

You can tell by the hardness markings on the bolt heads. Metric have numerical (i.e. 8.8) while the SAE have lines (3, 5 and 8 pointing to the corners).

Some metric wrenches and sockets do fit tighter on SAE bolts and vice-versa. I use a 21mm impact socket with a slit cut in it for O2 sensors instead of the actual 7/8 sensor socket because it fits perfectly tight on it and less chance of stripping. It's probably the same between 7/16 and 11mm.

 

[coolride]

These seals were NOT easy to remove.


Mix-match:

The new pressure line, and the new return line, have different seal designs. The groves for the brace plate line up exactly. Will this combo leak?

 

[coolride]

The fuse block was not completely removed. I disconnected a few connections only enough so the PS lines would slide under. The lines dropped into place without to much trouble.

 

[coolride]

The cross member under the steering rack looks good, painted in Smoke Grey. The two long thin bolts, in front, should probably be replaced at some point. They show a bit too much corrosion.

 

[coolride]

I cut the old lines into pieces, to make removal easier. They have a core of steel flex hose, and that surprised me. I'm guessing this is a pressure side thing, but didn't pay much attention as I was pulling the lines out. The ID of the flex hose is smaller than the ID of the normal steel sections. I wonder if this constriction puts a strain on the pump?

 

[coolride]

I called one dealership after another. Eventually, new brackets were located.


Looking good.

 

[coolride]

Ordered this for lubricating the various rubber "bushings" that support the lines, and also for rust prevention. (I think it's made from castor beans and that makes it safe for rubber.)

 

[coolride]

The forward bracket bolt is difficult to reach. I picked up some off-set wrenches, but the angle wasn't sharp enough.

Re-angle-izing the offset.


No other way to get a wrench on that bolt (far as I can tell.)