hitting a sunfire going 80 Km

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Not enough frontal damage to have set them off.

Sensors are apparently on the inside of the bumper bar that's under the bumper cover. IF they're not touched, the bags don't go off.

Well, at least that's what I was told when I had my little accident and my airbags didn't go off either. :undecided:

These SUVs are built very solid - gotta love "body on frame" construction. :thumbsup:
 
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dazingla said:
you would think hitting someone going 80 and flying into a ditch the airbags would of deployed
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Glad you weren't hurt. I assume you would have mentioned it if you had been. So if you didn't stretch your belt enough to hit the steering wheel with your forehead, the front end didn't collapse enough to even break the windshield (did it?) and your grill and headlights are relatively non-shattered, the airbag controller did its job! It held off the deployment in case you had a SECONDARY impact when you went off a 100 foot cliff on the side of the road after this hit deflected you.

Airbag deployment isn't like in the movies. It's basically a shotgun blast 12" from your ears that's meant to save your life in higher speed unsurvivable accidents. It's not a pillow to make sure you don't break your collarbone on the seat belt or your nose on the steering wheel if you position yourself with highly bent elbows too close to the wheel like some extremely short people do. It turns tragedies into celebrations of life. You get to greet friends and relatives in the hospital instead of having them sign a funeral home guest book.
 
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the roadie said:
Glad you weren't hurt. I assume you would have mentioned it if you had been. So if you didn't stretch your belt enough to hit the steering wheel with your forehead, the front end didn't collapse enough to even break the windshield (did it?) and your grill and headlights are relatively non-shattered, the airbag controller did its job! It held off the deployment in case you had a SECONDARY impact when you went off a 100 foot cliff on the side of the road after this hit deflected you.

Airbag deployment isn't like in the movies. It's basically a shotgun blast 12" from your ears that's meant to save your life in higher speed unsurvivable accidents. It's not a pillow to make sure you don't break your collarbone on the seat belt or your nose on the steering wheel if you position yourself with highly bent elbows too close to the wheel like some extremely short people do. It turns tragedies into celebrations of life. You get to greet friends and relatives in the hospital instead of having them sign a funeral home guest book.
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i was actually the passenger my wife was driving. kids in back seats. All that happpened to us was minor injuries except i have a partial torn ACL in my right knee and some whiplash. Gf has back problems and kids are fine. Except now my 4 year old has an excuse not to clean his room. Every time i ask him to pick something up he says my leg fait mal(my leg hurts) lol .

Accident happened almost a month actually exactly a month ago today.
 
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the roadie said:
Lucky guy! Your wife lets your GF ride around with you. Cool! :thumbsup: :wink:
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Its that special kind of relationship :wink:

Glad to hear you guys are OK. Though it means one less Envoy on the road.
 
Canadian Mike

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Too bad for the Envoy, but glad your family's a-o-k!! Wouldn't have wanted to be the passenger in that Sunfire. :eek:
 
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Canadian Mike said:
Too bad for the Envoy, but glad your family's a-o-k!! Wouldn't have wanted to be the passenger in that Sunfire. :eek:
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thanx mike . if there was a passenger in the sunfire he would be gonzo. the passenger seat was stuck against the drivers head
 
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I know when i worked for AUDI the airbag sensor worked off the DELTA-V formula.

Basically a change is speed. So if you hit them at 80 but you were still doing 60 then you didnt slow down that much that you were going to hit the windshield or dash. With it being a sunfire it just didnt slow you down enough for deployment.
 
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million-miles said:
I know when i worked for AUDI the airbag sensor worked off the DELTA-V formula.

Basically a change is speed. So if you hit them at 80 but you were still doing 60 then you didnt slow down that much that you were going to hit the windshield or dash. With it being a sunfire it just didnt slow you down enough for deployment.
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I always thought this as well. It is not the impact, its the deceleration that deploys the bags.
 
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Wex said:
I always thought this as well. It is not the impact, its the deceleration that deploys the bags.
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There was one AUDI that had the whole front ripped off his car. Some how not sure but the driver lost control and the front end was basically removed from the car. But the car was sliding side ways at 60+ mph and the front was sliding against the inside barrier. Hence it was a slow deceleration but a lot of damage.

And as others have said having an airbag go off between your arms in front of you is and needs to be a last resort.
 
Mark20

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I've been at an airbag demonstration. Man its a large gauge shotgun going off! I was 15-20 feet away. Can't imagine it going off two feet from you.
 
eutechnyx

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Glad u are OK,I've been in a wreck when an airbag went off,even got hit by one as a passenger,the ringing sound from the movies is real lol. Its very loud and painful.
 
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Glad you are ok.

I had the opposite experience with an airbag. I had a 96 z28 and a van with no signal decided to basically lock em and turn, the ranger in front of me locked up his brakes and I slammed mine as well. I got the front of the camaro just under his hitch while his rear end was up and when it sat down on the front bumper/hood edge my air bags blew up. I was stopped and the bag blew my hands off the steering wheel, but I never even moved forward in my seat belt. The passenger one blew part of the dash into the windshield and shattered it as well as breaking 3/4 of the mounts for the dash. Plus I had smoke rolling out from the bags. I was able to drive the car home and the airbags did 10 times the damage to the vehicle. I would delete airbags in everything I own if possible. I fixed that car and it never had bags again.

My cousin is one of the short people..maybe 4 foot 6 inches and she got in an accident and had more injury from the airbags than from the wreck. Burns and cuts n bruises. Looked like Tyson beat her ass.

I would be happy they did not go off, you coulda been hurt worse.
 
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Numbnutz said:
Glad everyone is OK!

What intersection did this happen at .... just a sick curiousity.
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Happened in Carlsbad springs on Russell road and Hall road on the curve

I Actually wanna contact the guy and see if hes alright.( well the wife is wondering) dude was out cold till ambulance took him. I called the number on drivers copy the copshop gave us but no answering machine or answer yet....
 
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HARDTRAILZ said:
Glad you are ok.

I had the opposite experience with an airbag. I had a 96 z28 and a van with no signal decided to basically lock em and turn, the ranger in front of me locked up his brakes and I slammed mine as well. I got the front of the camaro just under his hitch while his rear end was up and when it sat down on the front bumper/hood edge my air bags blew up. I was stopped and the bag blew my hands off the steering wheel, but I never even moved forward in my seat belt. The passenger one blew part of the dash into the windshield and shattered it as well as breaking 3/4 of the mounts for the dash. Plus I had smoke rolling out from the bags. I was able to drive the car home and the airbags did 10 times the damage to the vehicle. I would delete airbags in everything I own if possible. I fixed that car and it never had bags again.

My cousin is one of the short people..maybe 4 foot 6 inches and she got in an accident and had more injury from the airbags than from the wreck. Burns and cuts n bruises. Looked like Tyson beat her ass.

I would be happy they did not go off, you coulda been hurt worse.
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Yeah, after bunches of those kind of accidents, they did the variable stage airbags that required a higher delta-velocity at the sensor to light them off. A teacher of mine got in a relatively minor crash, and had burns all over her face from the airbag, and the airbag blew her hand off the wheel, into the window or something, and no other injuries to speak of.

Mike
 
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the roadie said:
That works until you rear end somebody under an overpass or overhead wires or in a parking garage. :eek:
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Lol either way head hitting a bridge or face hitting an airbag it hurts.
 
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jonbo2002 said:
thats what I would think but he said the wife was driving... Unless he was in the third row????:crazy:
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There wasnt a 3rd row seating in that envoy it was a regular SLT
 
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the roadie said:
Or as we on GMTN call it, a racing weiner dog. :tongue:

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Lmao I really wish I had knowledge of engine components because I would be having to much fun making it go fast. My dads 67 charger Fastback is too damn fun. Thing is almost 20 years older than me. Ill see if I can find a pic of the engine. Cleanest I have ever seen and its not even a showcar
 
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dazingla said:
Lmao I really wish I had knowledge of engine components because I would be having to much fun making it go fast. My dads 67 charger Fastback is too damn fun. Thing is almost 20 years older than me. Ill see if I can find a pic of the engine. Cleanest I have ever seen and its not even a showcar
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Here's the charger I forgot I had some pics on my phone
 

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Glad every ones okay. Looks like that should buff right out and if it doesn't I'll take the rear latch and actuatooooooooor.

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